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Old 15-11-2018, 12:17   #406
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

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I wouldn’t, because it’s an unmanageable scenario - people with Tourette’s can’t control if/when they may utter obscenities, on-line gaming is millisecond critical, so delays cannot be introduced without ruining the game, so the only option is to allow people with Tourette’s to play without microphones, so as not to allow the possibility of children hearing obscenities.

Remember, it’s all about reasonable accommodations in order to avoid a disabled person being placed at a “substantial disadvantage” compared with non-disabled people when accessing these services and facilities, not blanket responses, and the Game Server providers have a duty of care to the children.

It is about what is practical in the service provider’s situation and they will not be required to make adjustments that are not reasonable because they are unaffordable or impractical.
There are a number of ways that this could be managed, the option put forward by yourself seems perfectly reasonable.

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I'm guilty of beating about the bush so let me direct.

I consider you ignorant and arrogant for deciding that I need ANY kind of protection. Rather than looking at people as individuals you're deciding people need protecting because of them being in a 'group'.

Seriously, get down off your high horse. Don't go declaring problems where there aren't any.

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Not rationally it hasn't.
There are numerous problems on the internet for disadvantaged and vulnerable people which need addressing. For example, children are groomed by paedophiles, more and more people are being scammed, people with fragile mental health are being encouraged to take their own lives or bullied into it etc etc.

If you don't believe that your disabilities put you at a disadvantage or make you more vulnerable than others in the same position, it's your right to do so. However, your diagnosed disabilities will affect you.

I do agree that disabled people are individuals and should be treated as such, in fact the legislation currently in place does take this into account. There is no one size fits all solution.

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However, your diagnosed disabilities will affect you.
Tell me how.
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Except that it hasn't.

If I tell CF that I am vulnerable because I have learning difficulties and sometimes I cry when people disagree with me, what does the forum do to alert users to this fact?

If they don't label that person, what do they do? It's a fair question, surely.
No site would label the individuals, that would be wholly innapropriate for obvious reasons. However, if it is known that a disabled person (or any other person classed as vulnerable/disadvantaged) has particular needs, reasonable adjustments should be put in place.

This may come to light from:

- Self definition e.g. a man may mention that he has a male partner without expecting homophobic treatment.

- A person who has dementia might decide to make this known to explain their circumstances and should expect people to be kind & understanding as opposed to being bullied because they keep forgetting things.

- A black member may decide to upload their photograph and shouldn't be subject to racism.

- A woman should not have to put up with sexist comments.

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Tell me how.
Aspergers and ADHD will affect you as you have been diagnosed with these conditions by a medically trained professional.

There are common problems caused by these conditions, but this will obviously vary from person to person. I won't patronise you by going into the details as i'm sure you're already aware of them.

You are a perfect example of someone who has chosen to declare that they have a disability and shouldn't be treated badly as a result of your circumstances.
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I won't patronise you by going into the details as i'm sure you're already aware of them.
Well that ship has long since sailed....as in...

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You are a perfect example of someone who has chosen to declare that they have a disability and shouldn't be treated badly as a result of your circumstances.
Anyway, how do you decide who in these groups wants/needs 'protecting'? Do you just assume?
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Prince William now getting involved in the issue:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/prince...8-11?r=US&IR=T
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That link is no use to me as an ad blocker user.
Here is the text of this story. There's nothing really to disagree with here, but Richard's support for the type of legislation he has proposed is not practical at all. The idea that certain people require users of a site to treat them differently would not work without knowing who they were, and yet he correctly says that he wouldn't support 'labelling'.

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Prince William launches unprecedented attack on tech giants: 'They seem unable to engage in constructive discussion about the social problems they are creating'


The Duke of Cambridge Prince William criticised big tech for failing to deal with problems like cyberbullying and hate-speech profligating on their platforms in a speech at the BBC, the Telegraph reports.The Duke heads up an anti-cyberbullying taskforce, and has dealt with companies including Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, YouTube, Apple, and Google, but has found their response to the problems at hand frustrating."The noise of shareholders, bottom lines, and profits is distracting them from the values that made them so successful in the first place," the Prince said.

Prince William rebuked big tech firms for failing to adequately respond to problems on their platforms like cyberbullying and hate-speech, the Telegraph reports.

In a speech at the BBC ahead of the launch of its KOW app, designed to prevent children from sending or receiving troubling material on their devices, William accused the tech industry of failing to live up to its responsibilities.

The Prince has been leading a taskforce to combat cyberbullying, but said he has found tech companies including Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, Youtube, Apple and Google, unwilling to fully cooperate.

"What I found very quickly though was that the sector did not want to own this issue," he said.

"I heard doubts being cast about the scale of the problem. I was told that companies were already doing plenty and just needed more credit for it. I saw denials issued about the prevalence of young children on some of our most popular platforms. And crucially I heard over and over again that a collective approach across the industry, with charity partners, ISPs, researchers, and parents just wouldn't work," the Prince added.

He said that he is "worried though that our technology companies still have a great deal to learn about the responsibilities that come with their significant power," saying that on the issues of fake news, extremism, polarisation, hate speech, trolling, mental health, privacy, and bullying, "our tech leaders seem to be on the back foot."

He suggested that tech companies' self-image is muddying their perception of the problems at hand. "Their self-image is so grounded in their positive power for good that they seem unable to engage in constructive discussion about the social problems they are creating," he said.

The drive towards profit, he said, also poses a problem. "The noise of shareholders, bottom lines, and profits is distracting them from the values that made them so successful in the first place."

The Prince said that he, like many, had been optimistic ad the advent of social media. But he spelled out the concerns about the real-world harm these platforms have been seen to facilitate. "We have seen that the technology that can allow you to develop an online community around a shared hobby or interest can also be used to organise violence," he said.

"The tools that we use to congratulate each other on milestones and successes can also be used to normalise speech that is filled with bile and hate," he added.

He criticised big tech for being, "resigned to a posture with governments and regulators that will be defined by conflict and discord," and urged them to see, "It does not have to be this way."

Business Insider has contacted Twitter, Snapchat, Apple, and Google for comment. Facebook declined to comment.
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