Liberal Democrat conference/manifesto

OLD BOY · 16-09-2019, 12:48

Well, Jo Swinson is certainly making a name for herself. I wonder if her efforts will see the Lib Dems take over from Labour as the natural party of opposition?

The Lib Dems are putting forward some policies that will appeal to many more people in the country than policies promoted by Labour.
Today, Ed Davey is putting forward his proposal for a 'green capitalism', there would be regulations forcing financial institutions to be transparent about their carbon investments, there would be a relaunched regional growth fund, investment in new east-west rail connections in the Midlands and the north, and life-long education and training and a well-being budget to assist vulnerable people including tackling mental health issues and domestic violence. Add to that their embrace of the Remain agenda, and I think many would find that more appealing and relevant than Labour's confused position and step back into the 1970s.

What do forum members think? A recipe for winning or just more wishy-washy stuff that is more likely to turn off the electorate?

jfman · 16-09-2019, 12:52

Vote Lib Dem get Tory. Might as well cut out the middleman.

pip08456 · 16-09-2019, 12:57

More wishy-washy stuff that is more likely to turn off the electorate.

You forgot revoke A50 if they actually get in, that's more than just embracing the remain agenda.

OLD BOY · 16-09-2019, 13:00

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Originally Posted by pip08456

More wishy-washy stuff that is more likely to turn off the electorate.

You forgot revoke A50 if they actually get in, that's more than just embracing the remain agenda.

I didn't forget, but frankly that will be a non-issue by November.

I do think many Labour voters are having a crisis of confidence in their party with Corbyn and McDonnell in charge and there might just be a haemorrage of voters towards the Lib Dems.

That certainly suits me!

pip08456 · 16-09-2019, 13:03

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I didn't forget, but frankly that will be a non-issue by November.

I do think many Labour voters are having a crisis of confidence in their party with Corbyn and McDonnell in charge and there might just be a haemorrage of voters towards the Lib Dems.

That certainly suits me!

I would think more would vote for the Brexit party than LibDem.

jfman · 16-09-2019, 13:05

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I didn't forget, but frankly that will be a non-issue by November.

I do think many Labour voters are having a crisis of confidence in their party with Corbyn and McDonnell in charge and there might just be a haemorrage of voters towards the Lib Dems.

That certainly suits me!

Even if it's a "non-issue" don't you think they will campaign to rejoin/Norway model or some other form close relationship with the EU?

They see going for the remain voters as a way to pull the rug from under the Labour Party. Thankfully, everyone will see right through it and remember the Lib Dems as the midwives of austerity.

Edit: let's avoid this turning into a Brexit thread

**Hugh** · 16-09-2019, 13:09

Which Marxist* policies have been promoted by Labour?

Not a Labour fan, and would never vote for them, but I think it is important to discuss facts, not polemic.

*not Socialist, Marxist**

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nomadking · 16-09-2019, 13:11

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Which Marxist* policies have been promoted by Labour?

Not a Labour fan, and would never vote for them, but I think it is important to discuss facts, not polemic.

*not Socialist, Marxist**

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What sort of polices would you describe as Marxist?

jfman · 16-09-2019, 13:14

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What sort of polices would you describe as Marxist?

That's not an answer to the question asked, it's merely a reflection to the conversation.

pip08456 · 16-09-2019, 13:17

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Originally Posted by jfman

That's not an answer to the question asked, it's merely a reflection to the conversation.

No, it's a request for clarification, as if you didn't know.

nomadking · 16-09-2019, 13:20

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That's not an answer to the question asked, it's merely a reflection to the conversation.

What makes a particular policy, Socialist as opposed to being Marxist. How are we expected to correctly label them otherwise?

jfman · 16-09-2019, 13:42

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What makes a particular policy, Socialist as opposed to being Marxist. How are we expected to correctly label them otherwise?

There's a mass of political literature out there explaining the difference between Marxism and democratic socialism.

papa smurf · 16-09-2019, 13:44

Having watched and listened to Swinson on the TV i have to wonder if she is insan or just deluded.
my instinct says

jfman · 16-09-2019, 13:49

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Having watched and listened to Swinson on the TV i have to wonder if she is insan or just deluded.
my instinct says

Probably, and in denial about her own legacy from the coalition.

denphone · 16-09-2019, 13:52

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Probably, and in denial about her own legacy from the coalition.

She seems to have forgotten conveniently about that but then again politicians of all persuasions seems to develop political amnesia when it suits them.