13-06-2021, 21:33
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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I thought they were also used to give a definitive answer where both parties claimed the 'wording' meant different things  |
That's not an everyday situation but I've not said they don't do that too.
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13-06-2021, 21:58
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
It’s not the end of the world, and at least it will enable us to make more effective use of our time. In the meantime, we will look elsewhere for as many of our imports as is practical, and this will not be good news for the EU. But you know what, tough!
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Back on your boycot everything European stance again? By the way how's it going round Chez Old Boy with nothing European crossing the threshold?
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13-06-2021, 22:31
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Re: Britain outside the EU
Just so you all know, Italian wine, Parma ham, Dutch Gouda, Polish sour cucumbers, Polish mustard cross my threshold. Oh and Pottuguese Vino Verde.
Nothing French is allowed into our home. We avoid Irish stuff - but there's not much of that evidently about.
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13-06-2021, 22:54
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Re: Britain outside the EU
Let's hope BoJo ends his domatism to step up and seize this opportunity. 
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Ireland's Prime Minister, Taoiseach Micheál Martin, has told Sky News there is "a route" to resolving tensions over the Brexit Protocol following US President Joe Biden's intervention.
He urged Boris Johnson to "very seriously consider" a veterinary-type agreement with the EU to eliminate "up to 80% of checks" on goods crossing from Great Britain to Northern Ireland.
President Biden cleared the way for what is known as a Sanitary and Phytosanitary (SPS) Agreement by reassuring London it would not prevent a UK/US trade deal.
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https://news.sky.com/story/ireland-u...nsion-12331316
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13-06-2021, 22:59
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Lets hope he tells the touchup to get stuffed.
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13-06-2021, 23:43
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Lets hope he tells the touchup to get stuffed.
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Why wouldn't you want this as a long-term solution to the situation? I'm sure other Brexiters like Seph can see the logic in such a deal.
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You can blame the Guvmin for agreeing to the deal - and you'd be right to. Except that you won't say the Guvmin should not have signed that deal. Should they, in your view?
NI is struggling with food imports and that should be your first concern, not Johnson's past stupidity (no deal would have been better).
You Remainers are revelling (you'll deny that) in "I told you so" mode but you're not honest enough to come out and say that the deal was so bad for the UK that we should just have left.
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It's your party's Boris Johnson who warned us all.
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“Leaving would cause at least some business uncertainty, while embroiling the Government for several years in a fiddly process of negotiating new arrangements, so diverting energy from the real problems of this country – low skills, low social mobility, low investment etc – that have nothing to do with Europe.” Boris Johnson, February 2016
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a6887596.html
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14-06-2021, 00:36
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Carth
I thought they were also used to give a definitive answer where both parties claimed the 'wording' meant different things |
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
That's not an everyday situation but I've not said they don't do that too.
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and this IS an everyday situation?
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14-06-2021, 08:22
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Why wouldn't you want this as a long-term solution to the situation? I'm sure other Brexiters like Seph can see the logic in such a deal.
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It's your party's Boris Johnson who warned us all.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a6887596.html |
Nah - I'm not falling for that. I keep on saying it was a bad deal and that Boris is a bad deal.
What I'm asking you is this: Given that Boris signed a bad deal, and there was no other deal on offer, then instead we should not have signed any deal.
Can you escape that logic?
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14-06-2021, 08:28
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Re: Britain outside the EU
I believe it was mentioned a few times that the only good deal was a no deal.
Trying to please everyone gets you nowhere in the end 
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14-06-2021, 09:18
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Re: Britain outside the EU
Can you link to where this was mentioned, please?
The one I heard was "no deal was better than a bad deal"…
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14-06-2021, 09:45
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Just so you all know, Italian wine, Parma ham, Dutch Gouda, Polish sour cucumbers, Polish mustard cross my threshold. Oh and Pottuguese Vino Verde.
Nothing French is allowed into our home. We avoid Irish stuff - but there's not much of that evidently about.
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So pretty happy for the enemy to feed and water you .
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14-06-2021, 10:12
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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So pretty happy for the enemy to feed and water you . |
I knew that was coming. France is the first enemy. Ireland is the second enemy. The rest of them (Germany apart) are under the EU heel/cosj.
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14-06-2021, 10:12
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Can you link to where this was mentioned, please?
The one I heard was "no deal was better than a bad deal"…
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Probably depended on who you listened to, which papers you read, the facebook group you belonged to, or even tweeters you followed
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14-06-2021, 10:23
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Re: Britain outside the EU
Maybe there are 3 parties (at least) here. The UK (including NI), the EU (including Eire) and Ireland (both NI and Eire) and they all have different agendas and desires.
The UK wants NI as part of the UK with no restrictions between the 2 but controls between UK and EU
The EU has Eire and wants free movement there but controls between UK and EU
The Irish want freedom on the island but some want to be politically part of UK and part want a united Ireland, the latter probably less care about who externally they are joined to than uniting Ireland.
Even when we were part of the EU there was still that tension between groups in Ireland ready to bubble up if something got out of kilter too much away from their aims. And too often it was men of violence who gained from the instability that wanted to keep the violence going. They are still there and ready to restart their respective campaigns.
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14-06-2021, 10:29
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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I knew that was coming. France is the first enemy. Ireland is the second enemy. The rest of them (Germany apart) are under the EU heel/cosj.
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I am starting to wonder if a Frenchman ran over your dog or something...
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