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OLD BOY · 31-08-2021, 18:45

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Originally Posted by jfman

There is no magical return to 2019, OB. The sooner you accept that, the better.

We could be multiple variants, waves and vaccination campaigns from ever reaching a “manage Covid like flu” situation.

It’s also not “my approach” it’s the approach of almost every single Government in the world. Even Sweden.

No, I don’t accept that, jfman. We will have to accept that the virus is out there, just the same as any other virus. We had no immunity to this one, which is why it struck us so hard, just like the so called ‘Spanish Flu’ did in 2018-21.

Once the immunisation programme is complete and the boosters designed to tackle variants are given with appropriate regularity, this virus will cease to be a major concern.

mrmistoffelees · 31-08-2021, 18:54

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

No, I don’t accept that, jfman. We will have to accept that the virus is out there, just the same as any other virus. We had no immunity to this one, which is why it struck us so hard, just like the so called ‘Spanish Flu’ did in 2018-21.

Once the immunisation programme is complete and the boosters designed to tackle variants are given with appropriate regularity, this virus will cease to be a major concern.

How long would it take a to develop said 'booster' to work with a potential new variant? & then how long would it take said booster to be approved for use?

Unless of course you're planning to create 'boosters' for every possible permutation of the virus.

Meanwhile in the real world, a potentially more infectious and potentially more lethal variant spreads across the global population.

IMHO we will for the next five to ten years be reacting to this virus.

You're right, we do have to accomodate to the virus being out there. your approach of is one of ignorance as opposed to damage limitation.

OLD BOY · 31-08-2021, 18:58

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Originally Posted by jfman

I know. I admire Old Boy’s perpetual optimism in a way, and that being proven incorrect persistently doesn’t prevent him from pursuing his ideological wet dream of no state intervening in a public health emergency.

Perhaps given the huge amounts being paid to consultants he should offer his services and guide some fledgeling economy through the wilderness into economic growth at the expense of it’s neighbours.

You know that is not correct. Sure, I pointed out that lockdowns should be avoided because they only delayed the progression of the virus. Australia and New Zealand are finally having to admit that lockdowns on their own do exactly that. What changed was the vaccine, which we did not know would ever be available for this virus. Indeed, the prospects did not look good, because scientists has been looking for an antidote to coronaviruses for a very long time without success.

As I explained to Hugh above, what changed again later on to increase the infection rate was the Kent variant. That is why Boris’s promise not to cancel Christmas had to be undone.

Variants are indeed a problem, but worldwide vaccinations and boosters should prevent that. So what will your excuse be then for continuing to hide in the cupboard under the stairs?

Don’t get me wrong, I know you’ll find one.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

How long would it take a to develop said 'booster' to work with a potential new variant? & then how long would it take said booster to be approved for use?

Unless of course you're planning to create 'boosters' for every possible permutation of the virus.

Meanwhile in the real world, a potentially more infectious and potentially more lethal variant spreads across the global population.

IMHO we will for the next five to ten years be reacting to this virus.

You're right, we do have to accomodate to the virus being out there. your approach of is one of ignorance as opposed to damage limitation.

Well, the plan is for giving everyone a booster which will deal with the Delta variant this autumn. Were you ignorant of that fact?

pip08456 · 31-08-2021, 19:15

Something you covid doom mongers may wish to consider.

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So, how long does immunity last after two doses of the vaccine? Six months or so? And at that point, how much protection is left over?

It all depends on which type of immunity you're talking about, says immunologist Ali Ellebedy at Washington University in St. Louis. Six months after your vaccine, your body may be more ready to fight off the coronavirus than you might think.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan..._medium=social

1andrew1 · 31-08-2021, 19:15

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, the plan is for giving everyone a booster which will deal with the Delta variant this autumn. Were you ignorant of that fact?

What's your source for everyone getting the booster, Old Boy?

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However, it remains unclear whether the booster scheme will be for all adults, or just some, more vulnerable groups.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58271911

spiderplant · 31-08-2021, 19:18

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Can anyone name any virus in the history of man that has done this? I still await a reply.

Yes, flu does it regularly. That's why they have to keep formulating new vaccines (and they still aren't very effective)

pip08456 · 31-08-2021, 19:36

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Originally Posted by spiderplant

Yes, flu does it regularly. That's why they have to keep formulating new vaccines (and they still aren't very effective)

Then you should be able to post a peer reviewed link to any study that says so.

Don't worry, I'll wait.

Pierre · 31-08-2021, 20:22

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I pointed out that lockdowns should be avoided because they only delayed the progression of the virus. Australia and New Zealand are finally having to admit that lockdowns on their own do exactly that

You can flippantly dismiss OB, as many on here do. But he has been consistent on this point throughout and he has been proven correct. Lockdowns without an effective and swift vaccine program, just will leave to more lockdowns.

The pursuit of zero Covid through lockdowns as sought by Australia and NZ is a monumental folly, and the accolades the politicians initially received for their response to the pandemic will be revised.

spiderplant · 31-08-2021, 20:29

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Then you should be able to post a peer reviewed link to any study that says so..

Plenty of reading for you here
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consum...luenza-vaccine

jfman · 31-08-2021, 20:43

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

No, I don’t accept that, jfman.

Quelle surprise.

I hope you’ve fixed that faulty crystal ball, Mystic Meg.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

You can flippantly dismiss OB, as many on here do. But he has been consistent on this point throughout and he has been proven correct. Lockdowns without an effective and swift vaccine program, just will leave to more lockdowns.

The pursuit of zero Covid through lockdowns as sought by Australia and NZ is a monumental folly, and the accolades the politicians initially received for their response to the pandemic will be revised.

And what does a partly effective vaccination programme and decreasing immunity in the face of new variants lead to?

Lockdowns.

New Zealand and Australia have spent less time under restrictions than we have. I couldn’t even go for a pint for almost 10 months in 13. And I wouldn’t rule out the pubs closing before Christmas if we don’t mitigate now.

If OB was ever right at all New Zealand and Australia can just shield the vulnerable and all will be fine.

Pierre · 31-08-2021, 21:01

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Originally Posted by jfman

New Zealand and Australia can just shield the vulnerable and all will be fine.

Maybe they should do just that.

mrmistoffelees · 31-08-2021, 21:33

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You know that is not correct. Sure, I pointed out that lockdowns should be avoided because they only delayed the progression of the virus. Australia and New Zealand are finally having to admit that lockdowns on their own do exactly that. What changed was the vaccine, which we did not know would ever be available for this virus. Indeed, the prospects did not look good, because scientists has been looking for an antidote to coronaviruses for a very long time without success.

As I explained to Hugh above, what changed again later on to increase the infection rate was the Kent variant. That is why Boris’s promise not to cancel Christmas had to be undone.

Variants are indeed a problem, but worldwide vaccinations and boosters should prevent that. So what will your excuse be then for continuing to hide in the cupboard under the stairs?

Don’t get me wrong, I know you’ll find one.

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Well, the plan is for giving everyone a booster which will deal with the Delta variant this autumn. Were you ignorant of that fact?

No, but then I credited you with the intelligence to understand that we’re talking about future variants. I’m sorry I won’t make that mistake again.

Now, if you can, why don’t you answer the question I asked about how long it would take to develop and approve new vaccines.

jfman · 31-08-2021, 21:51

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Maybe they should do just that.

Unlikely to do so, however if it's proven a credible policy anywhere in the world they have it on the table.

Pierre · 31-08-2021, 22:13

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Now, if you can, why don’t you answer the question I asked about how long it would take to develop and approve new vaccines.

No you were on about “boosters”, I assume of existing vaccines.

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How long would it take a to develop said 'booster' to work with a potential new variant? & then how long would it take said booster to be approved for use?

Unless of course you're planning to create 'boosters' for every possible permutation of the virus.

Meanwhile in the real world, a potentially more infectious and potentially more lethal variant spreads across the global population.

IMHO we will for the next five to ten years be reacting to this virus.

You're right, we do have to accomodate to the virus being out there. your approach of is one of ignorance as opposed to damage limitation.

Where do you mention new vaccines?

mrmistoffelees · 31-08-2021, 22:31

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Originally Posted by Pierre

No you were on about “boosters”, I assume of existing vaccines.

Where do you mention new vaccines?

I would of thought the use of quotes around boosters means I’m highlighting OB usage when what should actually be meant is new vaccines.

I apologise if that wasn’t clear enough, tomorrow we can try crayons so long as you promise not to eat them. But right now I have an earnings call to be on.