Coronavirus

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Maggy

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57869880



Sigh! Frankly I think confusion is all we can look forward to for months. It would be nice if everyone was singing from the same song sheet.I am going nowhere for some time.

Better still that people didn't go around spreading the virus, with the media encouraging them.
How many more times does it need pointing out, that if people behaved responsibly then the likelihood is that all variants of covid would've largely died out by now.

[papa smurf]

Here we go again


Beta variant in France major threat to UK with 'mounting evidence it EVADES vaccine'


Dust down the cupboard under the stairs


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/14...n-edmunds-sage

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Maggy

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57869880



Sigh! Frankly I think confusion is all we can look forward to for months. It would be nice if everyone was singing from the same song sheet.I am going nowhere for some time.

It's not really confusion, it's the unknown. In a perfect world you are correct, problem is, we don't live in a perfect world, so it's not as simple. I wouldn't say it's confusing though.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Here we go again


Beta variant in France major threat to UK with 'mounting evidence it EVADES vaccine'


Dust down the cupboard under the stairs


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/14...n-edmunds-sage

Has to be lies - no known variants evade vaccines allegedly. Beta (South Africa) has been around for yonks.

It’s Edmunds though. Is there a video so we can see him looking shifty?

BREAKING: Health Secretary, Sajid Javid has tested positive for Covid-19.

https://news.sky.com/story/health-se...ptoms-12357736

[jfman]

Seems counter intuitive to promote the vaccine at the same time.

Here I am with symptomatic covid after two vaccinations. It didn’t protect me, and won’t stop me transmitting it to loved ones. But please get it.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jfman

Seems counter intuitive to promote the vaccine at the same time.

Here I am with symptomatic covid after two vaccinations. It didn’t protect me, and won’t stop me transmitting it to loved ones. But please get it.

No-one has ever said the vaccines stop you from getting it as you well know.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

No-one has ever said the vaccines stop you from getting it as you well know.

I’m sure I recall (and I’m sure you can too) figures getting banded around at 90% efficacy and higher against infection. Saj is either really unlucky or the figures aren’t holding up against delta. With Vallance releasing a paper giving a scenario of 20 million infections in the coming months I wonder which it is...

Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: Health Secretary, Sajid Javid has tested positive for Covid-19.

https://news.sky.com/story/health-se...ptoms-12357736

From that article

He is understood to have held a meeting with the Prime Minister yesterday, raising the possibility that Boris Johnson will be self-isolating on so-called ‘freedom day’ on Monday.

Possibility?

Shouldn’t he be self-isolating now? My (just under) 2 year old grand-son had to self-isolate for the last 10 days because one of his nursery teachers tested positive.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ith-the-person

[jfman]

Johnson will get the “pilot” of daily testing and as long as you test negative you can go about your day, just like Kate at Wimbledon.

On a technicality until Saj is PCR confirmed they wont contact trace. Would be hilarious if Johnson caught it, having had Covid and presumably fully vaccinated.

Originally Posted by jfman

I’m sure I recall (and I’m sure you can too) figures getting banded around at 90% efficacy and higher against infection. Saj is either really unlucky or the figures aren’t holding up against delta. With Vallance releasing a paper giving a scenario of 20 million infections in the coming months I wonder which it is...

I’m sure everyone on here is by now fully aware of your fondness for wilfully conflating data collected during earlier waves caused by original and Kent variant covid, with later waves and Indian covid. Against original/Kent there’s good data that the present vaccine stops it in its tracks. Against India the evidence is that it stops hospitalisation and death at the same sort of rate but does not necessarily prevent infection or transmission.

No matter how hard you try to insinuate, this isn’t evidence of a deep state conspiracy. It’s simply evolution in action, and we can be thankful that while modified vaccines are prepared, the present ones still perform adequately well.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

I’m sure everyone on here is by now fully aware of your fondness for wilfully conflating data collected during earlier waves caused by original and Kent variant covid, with later waves and Indian covid. Against original/Kent there’s good data that the present vaccine stops it in its tracks. Against India the evidence is that it stops hospitalisation and death at the same sort of rate but does not necessarily prevent infection or transmission.

No matter how hard you try to insinuate, this isn’t evidence of a deep state conspiracy. It’s simply evolution in action, and we can be thankful that while modified vaccines are prepared, the present ones still perform adequately well.

I’m not conflating anything. It’s a fact.

Adequate is quite a step down from overwhelming success but at least it shows you aren’t totally indoctrinated.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

I’m sure I recall (and I’m sure you can too) figures getting banded around at 90% efficacy and higher against infection. Saj is either really unlucky or the figures aren’t holding up against delta. With Vallance releasing a paper giving a scenario of 20 million infections in the coming months I wonder which it is...

Vaccines never ever stop you from getting infected. The main issues are whether that person gets to the transmissible stage and whether they suffer any symptoms. All depends on how able and ready the person's immune system is, to respond to the reinfection.
Prior to, and after my two jabs, I tried to make extra sure my immune system was going to be in fairly good shape in order to gain as much future protection as possible. If people's immune system isn't in too good a shape when they get any jab, then the immune system is less likely to develop the desired protection.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Vaccines never ever stop you from getting infected. The main issues are whether that person gets to the transmissible stage and whether they suffer any symptoms. All depends on how able and ready the person's immune system is, to respond to the reinfection.
Prior to, and after my two jabs, I tried to make extra sure my immune system was going to be in fairly good shape in order to gain as much future protection as possible. If people's immune system isn't in too good a shape when they get any jab, then the immune system is less likely to develop the desired protection.

Vaccines when announced all trumpeted efficacy against infection. Don’t get me wrong AstraZeneca offered about six different figures between 70 and 95, but they were all against infection.

They should take France off the amber list then.

Its like, "this is the rule .... except when it isnt"