Coronavirus

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

is there has never been any promise from the government that restrictions will be lifted on the 21st June,

No, we know that. But there has to be clear and evidential reason for not lifting restrictions, and there isn’t one.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Who to trust. Government scientists or Pierre.

Not a tough one. Clear?

Agreed, not tough at all, just your very poor interpretation of a governmental term.

Clear?

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Originally Posted by Carth

Pierre, every time

Never knowingly disappoints

[1andrew1]

Vietnam identifies new coronavirus variant as infections surge

Hybrid of strains first discovered in the UK and India detected in four patients

Vietnam said it had detected a new coronavirus variant that combines features of the variants first identified in India and the UK and is easily transmissible by air.

In remarks on Saturday quoted by state-controlled media, Nguyen Thanh Long, health minister, said genetic sequencing by Vietnam’s National Institute of Hygiene and Epidemiology had detected at least four Covid-19 patients carrying the newly identified variant.

Le Thi Quynh Mai, the institute’s deputy head, said the variant was not yet recorded by GISAID, the global initiative focused on sharing information about viruses, and did not yet have a name.

Pham Minh Chinh, Vietnam’s prime minister, reportedly called for “urgent response measures amid the complicated developments of the pandemic”, which is now spreading through the industrial parks at the heart of Vietnam’s export-focused, foreign direct investment-driven economy.

https://www.ft.com/content/46290dfc-...a-3edaf2a6ad3f

[Carth]

Another variant, and this one is airborne

oh hang on, aren't they all otherwise why wear masks?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jfman

Who to trust. Government scientists or Pierre.

Not a tough one. Clear?

Well let's be clear.
Neither you nor any Government scientist can name any virus in the history of man that has become vaccine resistant.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

I do not think you are truly sorry for anything tbh

I disagree with Pierre on many things but I don't doubt his sincerity here.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Well let's be clear.
Neither you nor any Government scientist can name any virus in the history of man that has become vaccine resistant.

If it achieves complete vaccine resistance it's evolved into something that is no longer covid 19, at least that's how it was explained to me by a boffin on the box

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Well let's be clear.
Neither you nor any Government scientist can name any virus in the history of man that has become vaccine resistant.

I'm not sure why 100% resistance is being held up as the bar when the Government (and others) use the term vaccine escape to describe reduced efficacy.

As I said to Pierre his ludicrous binary approach would have a vaccine that works 10% of the time as "working". That said, given he considers Coronavirus "mild" and continues to wilfully downplay the pandemic, it's no real surprise that he extends his ignorance to vaccine escape.

However his blind optimism usually results in disappointment so I take some comfort from that.

Less sniping,more DISCUSSION please.

[Carth]

We had 2 Covid deaths reported in our locality a couple of days ago . . .

one was from January and one from March, so that's probably two of the recent deaths reported that have sod all to do with the current situation.

But the figures don't lie do they

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Carth

We had 2 Covid deaths reported in our locality a couple of days ago . . .

one was from January and one from March, so that's probably two of the recent deaths reported that have sod all to do with the current situation.

But the figures don't lie do they

Did they die of Covid or with Covid?

When I was walking the dog this morning, bumped into a local medic (anaesthesiologist at LGI) who was also in the field - I asked her (open question, no "how bad is it") her thoughts on current state of play on COVID (didn’t mention Indian Variant).

She told me that the local hospitals are gearing up for in increase in hospitalisations for COVID patients.

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Originally Posted by Carth

Another variant, and this one is airborne

oh hang on, aren't they all otherwise why wear masks?

"more transmissible".

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Well the “Ifs” are potentially infinite, if your risk management expertise is as good as your research expertise, I’ll get a second opinion.


Like I say based on available evidence, as the evidence changes so will the conclusions.

But in Risk Management you focus on the likely scenarios with the highest impacts, not potentially infinite scenarios.

[Jaymoss]

End of the day I am glad it is not people like Pierre that makes the hard choices because if it was there would have been a lot more deaths and grieving families this last 15 months.

Hopefully those more vulnerable to the virus are inoculated now and wise enough to know they still need to take care and hopefully the hospitals do not fill up over the summer or at least those who catch it bad able to fight it

I personally do not think we are ready for back to normal and do not think we will be for a long long time but that does not mean we can not re open everything we just need to take care and we also need to be protected from those who refuse to face realities. Some form of social distancing and mask wearing needs to remain in my opinion ie antivaxxers deniers and selfish a holes can stay away from me

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

When I was walking the dog this morning, bumped into a local medic (anaesthesiologist at LGI) who was also in the field - I asked her (open question, no "how bad is it") her thoughts on current state of play on COVID (didn’t mention Indian Variant).

She told me that the local hospitals are gearing up for in increase in hospitalisations for COVID patients.

Management basics, don't want to get caught out IF there's a huge increase

Originally Posted by Hugh

"more transmissible".

Meaning what? We now have to wear 3 masks and stand 20ft away from anyone else?

Originally Posted by Hugh

But in Risk Management you focus on the likely scenarios with the highest impacts, not potentially infinite scenarios.

Agreed sort of, but the risk potential here is determined by ever changing (conflicting) data and 'expert' opinion that has been wrong before

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Carth

Management basics, don't want to get caught out IF there's a huge increase




Meaning what? We now have to wear 3 masks and stand 20ft away from anyone else?




Agreed sort of, but the risk potential here is determined by ever changing (conflicting) data and 'expert' opinion that has been wrong before

And still continuing.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

And still continuing.

That doesn't take account of intervention.