Britain outside the EU

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Or (putting tin foil hat on) could this be a case of 'hurr, hurr, hurr, look how fussy those foreign types are with their ridiculous food standards' as a softener for any old junk being sold here. If you are fussy about food standards, you're no better than a frenchman, etc.

No - the food standards are fine. They are our standards too.
So why can't the EU accept day 1 equivalence?

Answer: They are hell-bent on punishing the UK for leaving their poxy arrangement.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think you're right. As a reporter in Brussels, Boris Johnson made his name with well-crafted stories on straight bananas that bent the truth. So he knows how to play the game well here.

Biden's interest in Ireland is entirely logical. There's plenty of Irish ancestry votes in the US to be tapped. And the Good Friday Agreement is seen as a key Democrat success so he will not want to see that achievement harmed.

In which case, the UK strategy would appear crafted to try to capture Biden sound bites that can be spun as favouring the UK’s aim of peace and harmony in Irish supermarkets rather than the EU’s single market rules...

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Whether it was 6 months ago or when we were in the EU isn't the point. Were were recently allowed to import raw meat into the EU and now we're not.

This is NOT about importing meat into the EU. It's about moving meat from GB to NI.

More than a bit hypocritical for the EU to complain about the possibility of meat from GB reaching the EU via NI when they insist on the possibility of EU meat(eg Horse meat) reaching GB directly or via NI.

NOTING that nothing in this Protocol prevents the United Kingdom from ensuring unfettered market access for goods moving from Northern Ireland to the rest of the United Kingdom's internal market,
...
AFFIRMING the commitment of the United Kingdom to facilitate the efficient and timely transit through its territory of goods moving from Ireland to another Member State or to a third country, and vice versa,

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Perhaps Biden can encourage both the UK and EU to resolve this dispute?

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/bre...7-meet-8031462

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Because Brexit means Brexit?

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Totally wrong. Do you think David Frost and his EU counterparts are making this stuff up? That's one hell of a conspiracy theory.

Where in the Protocol does it give specifics on any rules?

Before the end of the transition period, the Joint Committee shall by decision establish the conditions under which processing is to be considered not to fall within point (a) of the first subparagraph, taking into account in particular the nature, scale and result of the processing.
Before the end of the transition period, the Joint Committee shall by decision establish the criteria for considering that a good brought into Northern Ireland from outside the Union is not at risk of subsequently being moved into the Union. The Joint Committee shall take into consideration, inter alia:
(a) the final destination and use of the good;
(b) the nature and value of the good;
(c) the nature of the movement; and
(d) the incentive for undeclared onward-movement into the Union, in particular incentives resulting from the duties payable pursuant to paragraph 1.
The Joint Committee may amend at any time its decisions adopted pursuant to this paragraph.

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On 10 December[2020] the Co-Chairs of the Withdrawal Agreement Joint Committee reached an agreement in principle to address the outstanding issues related to the implementation of the Withdrawal Agreement, in particular the Northern Ireland Protocol.

The rules were NOT set out in the Protocol, they were yet to be determined by the Joint Committee.

Originally Posted by nomadking

This is NOT about importing meat into the EU. It's about moving meat from GB to NI.

More than a bit hypocritical for the EU to complain about the possibility of meat from GB reaching the EU via NI when they insist on the possibility of EU meat(eg Horse meat) reaching GB directly or via NI.

You have to remember that the EU *is* its rules - nothing more and nothing less. For all the flag-waving and anthem tooting, it is still, for the time being at least, a supra-national organisation with no independent existence. There is a bureaucracy and a parliament but there is no autonomous government; only a council of the heads of government of its members. There is no constitution. There is no history, no alliances and no soft power by which it, in and of itself, may attempt to influence the world. It relies entirely on the influence of its most prominent members for that, and that influence is diminished in the world by the departure of one of those prominent members, which now actively negotiates and manoeuvres against it.

The bureaucrats in Brussels fuss over their sausage laws because that is all that defines them. It is unsurprising that they treat a challenge to the immutability of single market rules as an existential crisis. That’s precisely what it is.

They deserve a few microseconds of pity, before we ruthlessly exploit all the things we have, and they do not, to ensure the integrity of our own single market in preference to theirs.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Where in the Protocol does it give specifics on any rules?

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The rules were NOT set out in the Protocol, they were yet to be determined by the Joint Committee.

I refer you to jonbxx's post

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Well, apart from Article 7 of the Northern Ireland Protocol which states that goods placed on the market in Northern Ireland are covered by articles 34 and 36 of the Treaty for the Functioning of the European Union (Lisbon Treaty) These are the Single Market clauses.

Basically, goods entering Northern Ireland are entering the EU Single Market and are therefore covered by those rules.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1150

[Carth]

I don't see what the problem is, all I see is the EU attempting to prevent shops in a non EU country from selling a product made in a different non EU country.

What they really need to be doing is preventing EU shopkeepers from importing that product from the non EU country, and if that means an EU wide ban on English sausage, so be it

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

This is NOT about importing meat into the EU. It's about moving meat from GB to NI.

It's about moving/transporting/exporting (pick the term you feel happiest with) meat into the European Single Market from outside that market.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's about moving/transporting/exporting (pick the term you feel happiest with) meat into the European Single Market from outside that market.

Great, the EU can simply ban England selling any meat product to N.I. . . . problem solved.

Of course, we'd be obliged to stop importing from N.I. . . . Australia deal here we come

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I refer you to jonbxx's post

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1150

This Article 7?

1. Without prejudice to the provisions of Union law referred to in Annex 2 to this Protocol, the lawfulness of placing goods on the market in Northern Ireland shall be governed by the law of the United Kingdom as well as, as regards goods imported from the Union, by Articles 34 and 36 TFEU.

[Sephiroth]

They'll prolly argue that the "Law of the United Kingdom" incorporates the constraints of the Irish Protocol.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

They'll prolly argue that the "Law of the United Kingdom" incorporates the constraints of the Irish Protocol.

That Article 7 quote was from the NI protocol.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by nomadking

That Article 7 quote was from the NI protocol.

A circular reference, then. Legal merry-go-round.

[mrmistoffelees]

So

Did we agree to it ? If we didn’t, why isn’t Boris et all threatening & moving forward with legal action ?

Don’t seem to be able to get an answer to this quite simple question

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

So did we agree to it ? If we didn’t, why isn’t Boris et all threatening & moving forward with legal action ?

Don’t seem to be able to get an answer to this quite simple question

No surprise you've not received an answer, but don't worry. No one in authority is disputing that we agreed to it. David Frost wrote in the FT "But because we are operating under the EU’s legal framework we have very limited discretion to operate the rules in a way which makes sense on the ground in Northern Ireland."

[Sephiroth]

Time to renounce the Treaty.