Coronavirus

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

it just grinds my gears when someone makes light of it. I like many have lost someone close to me to this disease and then someone comes along like this and acts like its nothing

Indeed.

I think it’s no coincidence that those who downplay the pandemic (indeed, borderline deny the pandemic) are the biggest proponents of unregulated, uncontrolled free market capitalism. Human life is, to that end, an expendable commodity so long as someone’s stock goes up a couple of percentage points.

[OLD BOY]

You talk such nonsense, jfman. No-one wants to see unnecessary deaths. However, the decisions made have always been a balance between the health of the nation and the economy. As a self proclaimed ‘economist’ it is surprising that your comments seem to indicate so strongly that the economy doesn’t matter.

Well, it does. Without it, we would have no public services, including the NHS. And we would all be thrown into poverty.

The fixation with the number of positive tests is one you do not balance with the number of people becoming ill enough to be admitted to hospital. As we have now vaccinated all the vulnerable groups, we have effectively avoided the peaks we have suffered to date.

As the vaccination programme continues, we will be avoiding problems with mutations taking their toll of the younger groups. We are already vaccinating the over-30s.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You talk such nonsense, jfman. No-one wants to see unnecessary deaths.

Yet you want to remove all restrictions when the vaccination programme is incomplete?

That has consequences that are absolutely inevitable.

However, the decisions made have always been a balance between the health of the nation and the economy. As a self proclaimed ‘economist’ it is surprising that your comments seem to indicate so strongly that the economy doesn’t matter.

Yet you consistently advocate policy positions that end up in lockdown - with the greatest impact on both human health and the economy.

Well, it does. Without it, we would have no public services, including the NHS. And we would all be thrown into poverty.

The fixation with the number of positive tests is one you do not balance with the number of people becoming ill enough to be admitted to hospital. As we have now vaccinated all the vulnerable groups, we have effectively avoided the peaks we have suffered to date.

An entirely speculative position.

As the vaccination programme continues, we will be avoiding problems with mutations taking their toll of the younger groups. We are already vaccinating the over-30s.

A sub-optimal vaccination programme increases the chances of a mutation that escapes the vaccine. Every infection of a part vaccinated individual is a dice roll.

I look forward to continued restrictions from June 22. Masks, working from home if you can at a minimum.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

Unsurprising that OB cannot return with any kind of corroboration.

I'm afraid Old Boy only has eyes for your posts.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

If you factor in transmission rate and mortality numbers it is the worst Coronavirus that has ever existed.

MERS and SARS beats it for mortality rate over infections but it spreads no where near as fast and wide as SARS-COV2 and when it has killed so many people world wide I do not know how you can say it is fairly mild with a straight face. In fact you were most likely smirking smugly to yourself when you typed it

Hendra virus mortality rate is higher than all three diseases combined, for me the big thing the world has to ensure happens after the pandemic is that we stay away from bats, no more disturbing or encroaching on their habitats and definitely no more eating them, the diseases they carry aren't worth the risk of exposure to and that's the ones they've got we know about, goodness knows what else they've got swishing about in their bellies

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Hendra virus mortality rate is higher than all three diseases combined, for me the big thing the world has to ensure happens after the pandemic is that we stay away from bats, no more disturbing or encroaching on their habitats and definitely no more eating them, the diseases they carry aren't worth the risk of exposure to and that's the ones they've got we know about, goodness knows what else they've got swishing about in their bellies

That isn't a COV though is it? but yes stay away from Bats

[jfman]

Stay away from gain of function research too.

I see the Government are considering making the vaccine mandatory for NHS staff. A slippery slope...

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Stay away from gain of function research too.

I see the Government are considering making the vaccine mandatory for NHS staff. A slippery slope...

Making the vaccine mandatory for NHS and care home staff jolly well should be mandatory. This must surely be the most obvious necessity at this time and yet you are more worried more about less than 20 people being admitted to hospital!

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Originally Posted by jfman

Yet you want to remove all restrictions when the vaccination programme is incomplete?

That has consequences that are absolutely inevitable.

Really? Which categories of people is it going to infect to such an extent that they are hospitalised?

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Originally Posted by spiderplant

This week: 6.2 million.
Four weeks ago: 6.9 million.
(Source: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing)

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I stand corrected, sorry. I had not seen these figures, but I had assumed the surge testing had greatly increased the number of people being tested.

[jfman]

You had assumed wrong Old Boy.

Not for the first time - at least as far back as the virus going away by itself.

As for who will be hospitalised that's a very good question. One for the Bolton hospitals that are treating vaccinated patients I'm sure.

I’m unsure where your “less than 20” figure comes from in relation to hospital admissions. Some irrelevant measure into something unrelated I’d guess.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

If you factor in transmission rate and mortality numbers it is the worst Coronavirus that has ever existed.

MERS and SARS beats it for mortality rate over infections but it spreads no where near as fast and wide as SARS-COV2 and when it has killed so many people world wide I do not know how you can say it is fairly mild with a straight face. In fact you were most likely smirking smugly to yourself when you typed it

Well done you managed to contradict yourself in 10 words after making your first point.

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss

it just grinds my gears when someone makes light of it. I like many have lost someone close to me to this disease and then someone comes along like this and acts like its nothing

I am truly sorry for your loss but your personal experience does not make the rule.

[jfman]

What about 150,000 personal experiences?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Indeed.

I think it’s no coincidence that those who downplay the pandemic (indeed, borderline deny the pandemic)

No one has denied the pandemic

are the biggest proponents of unregulated, uncontrolled free market capitalism. Human life is, to that end, an expendable commodity so long as someone’s stock goes up a couple of percentage points.

Says the “I’m not a Marxist”

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Originally Posted by jfman

What about 150,000 personal experiences?

That’s fine, as are the other 68.2 million experiences.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

No one has denied the pandemic

Says the “I’m not a Marxist”

If you read very carefully I didn't say anyone did.

I'm not sure what Marxism has to do with anything. Do you disagree that capitalism monetises human endeavour? I mean it's sort of the point. You may be shocked to learn Jeff Bezos doesn't deliver all those parcels himself.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I am truly sorry for your loss but your personal experience does not make the rule.

I do not think you are truly sorry for anything tbh


Oh and just for your reference you saying it is a mild coronavirus does not make it that either

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

If you read very carefully I didn't say anyone did.

I did read it carefully, as carefully as you wrote it, as you’re very good as not saying what you’re really saying aren’t you?

I'm not sure what Marxism has to do with anything. Do you disagree that capitalism monetises human endeavour? I mean it's sort of the point. You may be shocked to learn Jeff Bezos doesn't deliver all those parcels himself.

Has Jeff Bezos downplayed the pandemic?