Britain outside the EU

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Given the fact that the BBC is no longer "an impartial news-gathering service", their stark admittance that Brexit is a no win situation is damning:

Brexit: One year on, the economic impact is starting to show

Sad to read I hope the last business survives.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Interesting headline in the Express today raging about the red tape nightmare for exporters, whilst conveniently ignoring that what we've got is exactly what they campaigned for

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Sad to read I hope the last business survives.

When Ant & Dec eventually retire, I'm putting your names forward

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Carth

When Ant & Dec eventually retire, I'm putting your names forward

Well if that's the level of your material you're over qualified for the position

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Carth

"The business owners I spoke to . . ."

Fair and unbiased, definitely

Yup, you're right, the violins will be out shortly.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Yup, you're right, the violins will be out shortly.

I'm on my 4th box of tissues

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Sad to read I hope the last business survives.

The business that traded for something like 110 years before the existence of, and then outside of, the EU? That business?

I hope it survives as well. But if it’s struggling there’s clearly more to it than a couple of trite remoaner sound bites.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

I'm on my 4th box of tissues

Whatever turns you on…

[OLD BOY]

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Interesting headline in the Express today raging about the red tape nightmare for exporters, whilst conveniently ignoring that what we've got is exactly what they campaigned for

Which is why you should be wary about what you read in the media.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

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Which is why you should be wary about what you read in the media.

In case they highlight things you don’t want to find out about?

[OLD BOY]

What, like this:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...as-with-norway

Today (21 December 2021) the UK, negotiating as an independent coastal State, has reached an agreement with Norway on fisheries access and quotas for 2022. These discussions mark the start of a new arrangement between the UK and Norway, in which both parties permit some access to each other’s waters and exchange a number of fish quotas in the North Sea and the Arctic.

The agreement on mutual access will allow respective fleets more flexibility to target the stocks in the best condition throughout the fishing year, supporting a more sustainable and economically viable fishing industry.

The UK fishing industry will gain access to 30,000 tonnes of whitefish stocks, such as cod, haddock and hake, in the North Sea, providing a welcome boost for 2022.

Norway will allocate the UK 6,550 tonnes of cod around Svalbard. In total, that means the UK can fish over 7,000 tonnes of cod in the arctic, estimated to be worth around £16 million. This is 1,500 tonnes more than in 2021.



And this:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/environm...ade-bolstered/

A fisherman is on a quest to revive Lowestoft's historic herring fishery and his family's traditions as a Brexit deal has given boats enough quota to make a living for the first time in 50 years.

The UK-EU agreement signed earlier this year should allow the town’s herring fishery to thrive for the first time since the 1960s - but fishermen need help to sell the hundreds of tons of fish they are now allowed to catch.

Fishermen say abundant herring are now available in the North Sea, and the area needs investment from freezers, smokers, transport and buyers so they can make the industry a success again.

Martin Yorwarth, 49, wants to take advantage of the new larger quotas allowed for British boats in the Trade and Cooperation deal signed earlier this year, which will see the amount of herring UK boats are allowed to catch in the Southern North Sea and Eastern Channel rise by almost a third between 2020 and 2026.

Overfishing and red tape destroyed the once thriving East Anglian herring industry in the 1960s, and in the 1990s smaller boats were pushed out by larger trawlers.

Fishermen now see a chance to restore it, with a 600-ton quota allocated for the area this year.



The remainers love highlighting negative news stories about Brexit, but we can all do the same in arguing the opposite, and here are two examples of it.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

What, like this:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...as-with-norway

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/15...c-fishing-deal

UK Fisheries chief executive Jane Sandell said she felt "devastated" for the 100-strong crew of the Hull-based Kirkella, which under a previous EU deal could catch 14,000 tonnes of cod in Arctic waters around Svalbard and Norway. Under the UK-Norway deal announced this week, that has been slashed in half to 7,000 tonnes.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

And this:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/environm...ade-bolstered/

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp...h-sea-herring/

Scottish fishing chiefs are upset over a “troubling” imbalance” in access arrangements for boats targeting North Sea herring next year.

All agreements have positive and negative views depending who you asked and in what way.

It shouldn't be Remain vs Leave anymore but are we all getting a positive outcome of where we are.

[OLD BOY]

I was attempting to demonstrate that we were gradually resolving the initial problems on leaving the EU. We can agree that problems remain, and these will be dealt with and overcome with time. In the meanwhile, the fishermen can look forward to be able to get more fish than when we were in the EU by the end of the transition period we have agreed with the EU. Short term pain for long term gain.

The NI agreement should be sorted out soon as well.

[ianch99]

The evidence is clear and all around: there never was going to be any "sunlit uplands" and there never will be. This grubby little project was sold on the basis promise of no downsides, only positives. Permanent 4% loss in GDP is just the start, the list is endless.

I suppose that if the outcome you have been hoping for, against all evidence, does not happen then all you have left is bitter denial or a redefinition of the reality we all saw. I think we are now at the "Well, I always said that the problems and pain would happen but trust me, it will pass and those sunlit uplands will arrive, honest, have faith" phase.

I think the most depressing part of this is that people who you would like you are rational and honest can still deny self-evident reality.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

The evidence is clear and all around: there never was going to be any "sunlit uplands" and there never will be. This grubby little project was sold on the basis promise of no downsides, only positives. Permanent 4% loss in GDP is just the start, the list is endless.

I suppose that if the outcome you have been hoping for, against all evidence, does not happen then all you have left is bitter denial or a redefinition of the reality we all saw. I think we are now at the "Well, I always said that the problems and pain would happen but trust me, it will pass and those sunlit uplands will arrive, honest, have faith" phase.

I think the most depressing part of this is that people who you would like you are rational and honest can still deny self-evident reality.

It depends on what is meant by "sunlit uplands". Certainly there has to be a period of adjustment so that opportunities can be forged and subsequently exploited.

But to call Brexit "a grubby little project" misses the point of Brexit. The EU is inching forward, slowly but surely, into a federal state. Currently it is an association of independent states, but the directives and regulatory system is gradually strangling national independence - and this is now dawning on the various countries.

People absolutely did not buy and Brexit hyperbole; the 52% just wanted to get away from the tightening stranglehold.

Your misunderstanding of the public rational for Brexit is probably deliberate.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

The evidence is clear and all around: there never was going to be any "sunlit uplands" and there never will be. This grubby little project was sold on the basis promise of no downsides, only positives. Permanent 4% loss in GDP is just the start, the list is endless.

I suppose that if the outcome you have been hoping for, against all evidence, does not happen then all you have left is bitter denial or a redefinition of the reality we all saw. I think we are now at the "Well, I always said that the problems and pain would happen but trust me, it will pass and those sunlit uplands will arrive, honest, have faith" phase.

I think the most depressing part of this is that people who you would like you are rational and honest can still deny self-evident reality.

There are no ‘facts’ to support your view that Brexit will not reverse our fortunes. The future hasn’t happened yet, and you don’t appear to understand the word ‘opportunity’.

Will you still be screaming about GDP from the rooftops when that changes into a positive figure?

Yeah, sure you will…