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Re: Sir Keirís Kerfuffle

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Should that read Labour's Kerfuffle?
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Re: Sir Keirís Kerfuffle

Or Labour’s lambasting? There are any number of ways to describe the utter mess Labour is in after last night. Hartlepool wasn’t just a loss, it was an absolute evisceration.
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Re: Sir Keirís Kerfuffle

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Or Labour’s lambasting? There are any number of ways to describe the utter mess Labour is in after last night. Hartlepool wasn’t just a loss, it was an absolute evisceration.
Interesting comment in the Times today.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...tion-cddx0m9z5
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But there is also a second reason for the strong Conservative showing — the collapse in support for the Brexit Party.

In 2019 the party’s leader, Richard Tice, came a close third in Hartlepool with 10,603 votes.

Following a rebrand to Reform UK, however, the party picked up a paltry 368 votes.

Early results suggest this pattern has replicated across the country.

The Tories have effectively neutered the threat from parties to their right, while simultaneously bringing in hoards of new voters from the left.

The Hartlepool result tells us that the 2019 general rlection result was not a one-off. It was just the beginning of a huge realignment in British politics that still has some way to go.
The Conservatives have also gained Northumberland County Council and Dudley County Council from NOC.

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I thought this comment on Twitter was quite apposite.

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The Tories’ primary skill is reinventing itself. Labour’s primary problem is that it is stuck romanticising about an era that died with the collapse of manufacturing and the rise of the internet.
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Bingo. Labour has no representation from legions of gig, online, office & tech workers and businesses. They seem to just not understand them, or not want to. Labour can't win by just appealing to NHS and traditional workers.
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Re: Sir Keirís Kerfuffle

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Fundamentally bland centrism has had its day, and did a decent job at the time of holding together the left with enough Tory voters to win few elections society is more polarised now.
It's just Labour that has had it's day. They tried going further to the Left and failed, they tried to bring it back to the centre and are failing.

The Tories are winning in the exLabour heartlands because they're not talking politics, they're talking economy, regeneration and Labour are talking curtains.
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Re: Sir Keirís Kerfuffle

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Interesting comment in the Times today.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...tion-cddx0m9z5

The Conservatives have also gained Northumberland County Council and Dudley County Council from NOC.

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I thought this comment on Twitter was quite apposite.



And a good reply
Iíve been pondering the extent to which UKIP/Brexit Party has acted as a sort of gateway drug for traditional Labour voters. Once the Labour voting habit is broken, and the reason for the Brexit vote is dealt with, many of them have perhaps taken a pragmatic look at which party best aligns with their views in a way that would have been difficult just 10 years ago.
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It's just Labour that has had it's day. They tried going further to the Left and failed, they tried to bring it back to the centre and are failing.

The Tories are winning in the exLabour heartlands because they're not talking politics, they're talking economy, regeneration and Labour are talking curtains.
Yet going further to the left appears more popular than wallowing in the centre. However rather than stay in and water it down Blairite after Blairite undermined the message and week after week the Observer got someone to write about anti-Semitism.

Biden won because he managed to hold together the left and the centre. And wasn't Trump. Labour have made no effort to coalesce around some point left of centre and further left than a Blairite position.

You are right though in that they don't have a message for their former voters. We are only seeing now in England what has happened in Glasgow and Central Scotland over the past ten years.

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You are right though in that they don't have a message for their former voters. We are only seeing now in England what has happened in Glasgow and Central Scotland over the past ten years.
Very sage, I think their failure to respond to their decline in Scotland has indeed just spread throughout England,

One option out of it is to somehow double down on of the woke, youth, metropolitan left and see if they can reinvent themselves more along a newer Green/Lib-dem path, but they've lost the working class.
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Re: Sir Keirís Kerfuffle

Well if the Hartlepool result wasn't a bad enough result for Labour, it appears I've now got a new Conservative councillor.

Wakefield East is one of those council wards where you usually wonder why the other parties even bother, well yesterday things changed. At the last election in 2019 it was a poor showing for Labour winning with only 56.9% of the votes when normally it's well over 60%. Yesterday the Labour candidate managed only 44.5% losing by 48 votes. The remaining 2 Labour councillors in the ward are probably worrying what the future holds for them.

I don't know what the answer is but I know what it isn't and that is letting this country drift in to a one party state (extreme words - but you know what I mean!). Keir comes across as a nice honest chap with good intentions, which is a plus, but his get up and go seems to have got up and gone and he's just got nothing about him. As competence doesn't seem to be a prerequisite for the top job any more, Labour need to find someone who appeals to the masses and makes them laugh and is brazen enough to not feel they're suffering from imposter syndrome.
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