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Old 07-10-2021, 12:01   #2746
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Semiconductor research, design & fabrication is surely the exact hi tech industry with high salaries that Boris is looking for the country to move to. So, this would appear to be somewhat of an oh dear moment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58820599#

Of course, to balance, this could be a public fishing trip....
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Semiconductor research, design & fabrication is surely the exact hi tech industry with high salaries that Boris is looking for the country to move to. So, this would appear to be somewhat of an oh dear moment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58820599#

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But he added: "Post-Brexit... we're looking at EU countries and getting support from the EU".
They're just looking for more money, no other reason. Even if we were still in the EU, I doubt EU money would've been forthcoming for a plant in the UK.
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They're just looking for more money, no other reason. Even if we were still in the EU, I doubt EU money would've been forthcoming for a plant in the UK.
Standard for companies to look for monies when considering investments.

The company's decision to base a move in the EU is clearly attributable to Brexit.

Chipzilla could of been a big big player for UK biz.
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Standard for companies to look for monies when considering investments.

The company's decision to base a move in the EU is clearly attributable to Brexit.

Chipzilla could of been a big big player for UK biz.
You are not serious in suggesting that the EU would've contemplated handing over money for investment in the UK, even though EU funding for UK projects was overwhelming funded by the UK anyway. To begin with, 66% of any EU funding was knocked off the rebate, then add in that we made net contributions, then sometimes nation states had to make their own contributions to projects. Only a small part of EU funding ever came from the EU.
No other reason has been mentioned other than any money they might get. Outside of the EU, we can make an offer, within it we couldn't.
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So if a Labour Government gets into power (I know, I know, very unlikely, but for the sake of discussion), how would you describe those who spoke out against any policies they implemented, as those policies would have been due to the democratic decision of the British people?

Would they be "traitors"?
Governments are elected on a manifesto which contains a whole range of policies. You cannot choose a selection that you like from the manifesto.

A referendum is different. If you tell people that the majority choice will be honoured, and then fail to honour it, there’s a breach of trust.
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Governments are elected on a manifesto which contains a whole range of policies. You cannot choose a selection that you like from the manifesto.

A referendum is different. If you tell people that the majority choice will be honoured, and then fail to honour it, there’s a breach of trust.
That relies on the people returning a Government capable of delivering, which they didn’t do in 2017. There’s no breach of trust, or treachery, at all.

It’s just poisonous, divisive rhetoric ironically from those who should be delighted. Rather than be happy at having left there’s residual bitterness at those who disagreed. Rather than forging our glorious path into the future it’s all “ah but” and “if only”. It’s almost as if this was a more complicated process than some were led to believe.
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Standard for companies to look for monies when considering investments.

The company's decision to base a move in the EU is clearly attributable to Brexit.

Chipzilla could of been a big big player for UK biz.
Agreed, the article is quite explicit on the Brexit link.
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Old 07-10-2021, 15:23   #2753
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That relies on the people returning a Government capable of delivering, which they didn’t do in 2017. There’s no breach of trust, or treachery, at all.

It’s just poisonous, divisive rhetoric ironically from those who should be delighted. Rather than be happy at having left there’s residual bitterness at those who disagreed. Rather than forging our glorious path into the future it’s all “ah but” and “if only”. It’s almost as if this was a more complicated process than some were led to believe.
The issue is - we chose the preferred option, and others tried to prevent it from happening. That is plainly undemocratic, no matter how you want to spin it.
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That relies on the people returning a Government capable of delivering, which they didn’t do in 2017. There’s no breach of trust, or treachery, at all.

It’s just poisonous, divisive rhetoric ironically from those who should be delighted. Rather than be happy at having left there’s residual bitterness at those who disagreed. Rather than forging our glorious path into the future it’s all “ah but” and “if only”. It’s almost as if this was a more complicated process than some were led to believe.
We're talking about human behaviour here. There's bitterness (not residual) only to the extent that some Remainers are in regular "I told you so" mode.

All that matters is that we have left the EU as a result of the Referendum and we now have to build back to a comfortable point. Covid didn't help - but it did underline why 52% voted Leave - namely the arrogance of the bullying EU.

It's also a great pity that certain politicians, including DD, painted an unrealistic picture of day 1 heaven in trade deal terms. How come those fools didn't take into account what the people knew when they voted 52% for BREXIT? This political stupidity feeds certain Remainers here with almost perpetual fodder.
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The issue is - we chose the preferred option, and others tried to prevent it from happening. That is plainly undemocratic, no matter how you want to spin it.
You need to be specific Old Boy in how people tried to prevent it happening.

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We're talking about human behaviour here. There's bitterness (not residual) only to the extent that some Remainers are in regular "I told you so" mode.

All that matters is that we have left the EU as a result of the Referendum and we now have to build back to a comfortable point. Covid didn't help - but it did underline why 52% voted Leave - namely the arrogance of the bullying EU.

It's also a great pity that certain politicians, including DD, painted an unrealistic picture of day 1 heaven in trade deal terms. How come those fools didn't take into account what the people knew when they voted 52% for BREXIT? This political stupidity feeds certain Remainers here with almost perpetual fodder.
It's the government who are in "I told you so" mode to British business when in fact they didn't and now seek to pretend that they warned the country early on of these problems.

Brexit is alas a leaky tyre, not the sunny uplands that John Redwood, David Davis and others pretended it was. But we need an industrial strategy to try and make the best of a very bad job. Unfortunately, apart from some nice Soviet-style slogans "Build back better" "Levelling up", I'm not seeing any robust plans.

For example, all the recent new film studios are great news. But they're in places like Reading, Elstree and Broxbourne. Great for those living around the M25 but not-so-great for levelling up the more deprived parts of the UK.

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They're just looking for more money, no other reason. Even if we were still in the EU, I doubt EU money would've been forthcoming for a plant in the UK.
He lost me at this.

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He lost me at this.
He has no idea, because it wasn't considered due to Brexit.
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We're talking about human behaviour here. There's bitterness (not residual) only to the extent that some Remainers are in regular "I told you so" mode.

All that matters is that we have left the EU as a result of the Referendum and we now have to build back to a comfortable point. Covid didn't help - but it did underline why 52% voted Leave - namely the arrogance of the bullying EU.

It's also a great pity that certain politicians, including DD, painted an unrealistic picture of day 1 heaven in trade deal terms. How come those fools didn't take into account what the people knew when they voted 52% for BREXIT? This political stupidity feeds certain Remainers here with almost perpetual fodder.
It’s perpetual fodder because, unfortunately, it demonstrates that many people had many different ideas of what leaving would entail and consistently put forward an unrealistic picture of “we hold all the cards”, “German car manufacturers will come to our rescue”. Neither credible positions to hold given the relative sizes of each market.

Now all we have, from some at least, is persistent defection. OB is keen to rehash the debates of 2016-19 all over again. However that doesn’t move us forward. Those people are all gone, the Government had a clear mandate, and has a clear majority. Where’s the plan to transition to this high wage, high skilled economy? It’s a bold move for Boris to talk of decades of a flawed economic model when the Tories have governed for the vast majority of the time it has been implemented.
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It’s perpetual fodder because, unfortunately, it demonstrates that many people had many different ideas of what leaving would entail and consistently put forward an unrealistic picture of “we hold all the cards”, “German car manufacturers will come to our rescue”. Neither credible positions to hold given the relative sizes of each market.

Now all we have, from some at least, is persistent defection. OB is keen to rehash the debates of 2016-19 all over again. However that doesn’t move us forward. Those people are all gone, the Government had a clear mandate, and has a clear majority. Where’s the plan to transition to this high wage, high skilled economy? It’s a bold move for Boris to talk of decades of a flawed economic model when the Tories have governed for the vast majority of the time it has been implemented.
I’d venture to suggest that an outright majority in favour of anything can only come about via a coalition of one kind or another. Members of political parties have their own priorities and are routinely placed by commentators at the left, centre or right of their party’s politics.

Back in 2014 the only Yes campaigner to actually doorstep me was solely interested in getting Faslane closed. Nothing else mattered. But that again was a referendum in which nobody is in a position to promise anything beyond the narrow implementation of the result. At least in broad-church, two-party politics the whole party stands on the manifesto and can be judged against it, whatever the personal priorities of its individual members.
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I’d venture to suggest that an outright majority in favour of anything can only come about via a coalition of one kind or another. Members of political parties have their own priorities and are routinely placed by commentators at the left, centre or right of their party’s politics.

Back in 2014 the only Yes campaigner to actually doorstep me was solely interested in getting Faslane closed. Nothing else mattered. But that again was a referendum in which nobody is in a position to promise anything beyond the narrow implementation of the result. At least in broad-church, two-party politics the whole party stands on the manifesto and can be judged against it, whatever the personal priorities of its individual members.
Perhaps so, however it at least then requires an open, honest discussion grounded in reality about expectations rather than the contradictory hopes and dreams of various people who agree on a single narrow point.

Especially if the majority are, on some level, likely to be disappointed with some or all of the outcome.
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