Britain outside the EU

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

An interesting point. There are crunch points coming.
31-October is one when the 3 month grace on NI expires; the court cases whenever they are re-invoked will be another.

The EU holds the trade agreement over the UK's head if we default on the NI Protocol and what's more the EU decides on whether or not the UK has defaulted.

So, the wobble point now is GB/NI trade. My understanding is that the UK intends to honour the customs border in the Irish sea, though the necessary systems appear not to be ready. However the meat products trade is likely to remain the flash point on which someone needs to bend over. I don't think Boris has the balls to stand firm after the grace extension finishes. So expect the EU to get difficult and pretend that they were always reasonable.

AKA when two organisations try to reach an economic agreement the org with the biggest economic clout generally gets to dictate the terms.

Still, I'm sure our newly agreed or soon to be agreed trade deal with the mighty economy that is New Zealand will make significant inroads into any issues we may face. Long way for the lorry drivers mind you.

On the contrary - dictation only occurs when there is a gross imbalance of power or influence. At all other times there is negotiation, and give and take, and in any situation as complex as this one, size isn’t everything. The significance of individual parts of the deal, even the relatively small ones, can come to dominate for all sorts of reasons.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Chris

On the contrary - dictation only occurs when there is a gross imbalance of power or influence. At all other times there is negotiation, and give and take, and in any situation as complex as this one, size isn’t everything. The significance of individual parts of the deal, even the relatively small ones, can come to dominate for all sorts of reasons.

Which in this case due to economic 'power' between the EU & the UK there is. There has been a negotiation, the EU let us have some bits, but on the bits they really wanted i would hazard a guess they got their way. Just IMHO

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

AKA when two organisations try to reach an economic agreement the org with the biggest economic clout generally gets to dictate the terms.

Still, I'm sure our newly agreed or soon to be agreed trade deal with the mighty economy that is New Zealand will make significant inroads into any issues we may face. Long way for the lorry drivers mind you.

Sure, but that's no reason to be ruled by them - hence Brexit.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by sephiroth

sure, but that's no reason to be ruled by them - hence brexit.

bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Get a robotic lawnmower

And put the gardener out of a job

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

And put the gardener out of a job

There's always an HGV to be driven.

[Taf]

A food order arrived in a big box today (the missus decided to pamper herself). Picked and packed in France last evening. Here with us this afternoon.

Brexit problems?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Taf

A food order arrived in a big box today (the missus decided to pamper herself). Picked and packed in France last evening. Here with us this afternoon.

Brexit problems?

There should not be any at this stage. We're currently treating EU imports exactly the same as we did when we were an EU member state, so we are not inspecting them.

The new Brexit rules and inspections will commence from 1st October. You could compare and contrast by ordering a similar box in October and report back.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/webinars...-great-britain

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Hang on, it wasn't a hung parliament when Boris was elected. He could of quite easily taken us out on no deal. So the question i asked last night to Sephi, I'll ask to you. Why did Boris not take us out on no deal?

Boris may have won the election with a stunning majority, but there was still nervousness in the party about leaving without a deal. It was also clear that a lot of people outside of Parliament wanted a deal. So my guess is he took the easier option of signing up to a deal so we could get out when he said we would, rather than delay leaving in order to make the necessary preparations.

I am sure it was Boris himself who said the deal was not great, but it would be easier to amend or ditch it once Brexit had been achieved. And the way the EU nonsense is playing out, I think he will be able to make the argument that a no deal is better than a bad deal, with the evidence laid out for all to see.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Boris may have won the election with a stunning majority, but there was still nervousness in the party about leaving without a deal. It was also clear that a lot of people outside of Parliament wanted a deal. So my guess is he took the easier option of signing up to a deal so we could get out when he said we would, rather than delay leaving in order to make the necessary preparations.

I am sure it was Boris himself who said the deal was not great, but it would be easier to amend or ditch it once Brexit had been achieved. And the way the EU nonsense is playing out, I think he will be able to make the argument that a no deal is better than a bad deal, with the evidence laid out for all to see.

Historical revisionism at it’s finest here, OB. Top drawer stuff.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Boris may have won the election with a stunning majority, but there was still nervousness in the party about leaving without a deal. It was also clear that a lot of people outside of Parliament wanted a deal. So my guess is he took the easier option of signing up to a deal so we could get out when he said we would, rather than delay leaving in order to make the necessary preparations.

I am sure it was Boris himself who said the deal was not great, but it would be easier to amend or ditch it once Brexit had been achieved. And the way the EU nonsense is playing out, I think he will be able to make the argument that a no deal is better than a bad deal, with the evidence laid out for all to see.

.. if he can regain his balls.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

And good afternoon to you too

Any withdrawal agreement had to contain provisions to protect the peace in Northern Ireland that is a simple fact.

Boris knew what no deal meant, for all his gibberish & lunacy he’s not stupid.

Shenanigans are fun

This is another fallacy. If a hard border was put in place, it would simply mean that the importing and exporting of goods could not take place. There is no reason why there shouldn’t be free movement of people, though.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

This is another fallacy. If a hard border was put in place, it would simply mean that the importing and exporting of goods could not take place. There is no reason why there shouldn’t be free movement of people, though.

How ironic.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

How ironic.

Not at all. There is a case to be made for free movement as long as the rules to keep out/deport riff-raff are used.