Britain outside the EU

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Misled by the mobile companies.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...g-charges.html

Misled, but an entirely predictable step for capitalists in markets that aren’t genuinely competitive.

[nomadking]

The costs that are payable to those companies in the other countries has to come from somewhere. Why should those remaining in the UK, be expected to pay the additional costs incurred by people travelling to Spain etc?
People are using the mobile networks of other companies in other countries, and those other companies, quite reasonably, expect to be paid for providing that service.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The costs that are payable to those companies in the other countries has to come from somewhere. Why should those remaining in the UK, be expected to pay the additional costs incurred by people travelling to Spain etc?
People are using the mobile networks of other companies in other countries, and those other companies, quite reasonably, expect to be paid for providing that service.

You’re assuming that their pricing is absolutely stripped to the bone, all of their costs absolutely minimised for fear of losing out to their competitors.

While markets in perfect competition work in this manner that isn’t true where there’s a small number of suppliers offering like for like products. While there are MVNOs there’s fundamentally four UK suppliers of mobile connectivity. They have no incentive to aggressively reduce their costs and every incentive to push their prices gradually upwards to maximise profits in the absence of adequate regulation.

None can make substantial inroads into the others market share in a short period, in which the other would respond anyway.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

You’re assuming that their pricing is absolutely stripped to the bone, all of their costs absolutely minimised for fear of losing out to their competitors.

While markets in perfect competition work in this manner that isn’t true where there’s a small number of suppliers offering like for like products. While there are MVNOs there’s fundamentally four UK suppliers of mobile connectivity. They have no incentive to aggressively reduce their costs and every incentive to push their prices gradually upwards to maximise profits in the absence of adequate regulation.

None can make substantial inroads into the others market share in a short period, in which the other would respond anyway.

How on earth can they reduce the costs created by other companies, in other countries?
Eg Movistar mobile network in Spain would charge the EE for a call placed by an UK EE customer in Spain to somebody in the UK. How else could Movistar be expected to fund the service in Spain? EE would have no control over that cost.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

How on earth can they reduce the costs created by other companies, in other countries?
Eg Movistar mobile network in Spain would charge the EE for a call placed by an UK EE customer in Spain to somebody in the UK. How else could Movistar be expected to fund the service in Spain? EE would have no control over that cost.

My point is they’ve no incentive to reduce any costs at all. They could equally charge Movistar for their customers coming here.

The cost of mobile calls are next to nothing, but it’s in their interests (UK networks and EU networks) to push prices up in the absence of regulation to prevent them from doing so.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

My point is they’ve no incentive to reduce any costs at all. They could equally charge Movistar for their customers coming here.

The cost of mobile calls are next to nothing, but it’s in their interests (UK networks and EU networks) to push prices up in the absence of regulation to prevent them from doing so.

They almost certainly do charge customers using SIMs from other countries. They ARE reducing costs for people who don't use roaming.
Setting up and maintaining the network is not cheap.
So a UK mobile provider could be expected to set up and provide a mobile network with no money coming in, because everybody is using a SIM from another country?
Why aren't landline call costs the same within a country, never mind between countries?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Misled by the mobile companies.

Check the dates - the MP endorsed The Sun article five months before Vodafone's misleading statement.

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Another piece of Project Fear becomes Project Here:

Emergency Brexit powers for lorry queues to be made permanent

Exclusive: ministers to make traffic provisions indefinite in expectation of further cross-Channel disruption

Emergency powers to handle post-Brexit queues of lorries heading for France are being made permanent, signalling the government expects further cross-Channel disruption.

Operation Brock, a traffic management system designed to cope with queues of up to 13,000 lorries heading for mainland Europe across Kent, was meant to end by October 2021, after being extended once when the Brexit transition period ended in December 2020.

But ministers are planning to make the provisions indefinite by removing “sunset clauses” from the legislation that set out when the powers would expire, the Guardian has learned.

It means the emergency protocol can be activated at any time to govern the flow of lorries around the Port of Dover and Channel tunnel at Folkestone with contraflow systems.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...made-permanent

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Originally Posted by jfman

Misled, but an entirely predictable step for capitalists in markets that aren’t genuinely competitive.

In this instance not as the MP Tweeted five months before Vodafone's statement.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It’s relevant simply because those who’ve exercised their right to be offended use Thatcher as their bogeyman because of pit closures. They don’t like to be reminded that Labour closed even more pits.

They were offended because Johnson was possibly trying to rewrite history but importantly came across as insensitive to the Red Wall voters. Those kind of comments might land well in Berkshire but not in Yorkshire or Scotland.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

They weree offended because Johnson was possibly trying to rewrite history but importantly came across as insensitive to the Red Wall voters. Those kind of comments might land well in Berkshire but not in Yorkshire or Scotland.

The PM was certainly not trying to re-write history, Andrew. It was a joke, anyone can see that. Insensitive? Probably. I certainly wouldn't have made a joke of it in that location.

[Carth]

Where the heck have we suddenly found 13,000 lorries to hide in a Kent lay-by?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The PM was certainly not trying to re-write history, Andrew. It was a joke, anyone can see that. Insensitive? Probably. I certainly wouldn't have made a joke of it in that location.

Better-known observers felt otherwise, Old Boy. For example, Sarah Vine who writes a column in one of our best-selling newspapers.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Carth

Where the heck have we suddenly found 13,000 lorries to hide in a Kent lay-by?

Were did they find the drivers?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Were did they find the drivers?

hmm yes, I seem to have got that one wrong

Maybe the lorries have been there a few months, and every refugee that makes it ashore gets asked "can you drive a lorry?"

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Better-known observers felt otherwise, Old Boy. For example, Sarah Vine who writes a column in one of our best-selling newspapers.

well she's wrong too.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Better-known observers felt otherwise, Old Boy. For example, Sarah Vine who writes a column in one of our best-selling newspapers.

So we should be impressed by the opinion of a writer for a newspaper? They are all out to get a headline.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

So we should be impressed by the opinion of a writer for a newspaper? They are all out to get a headline.

Johnson's bright enough to know that some people would have taken it literally.