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LATEST: 44 Republican Senators just voted against the Impeachment trial being Constitutional. There is the former presidents Acquittal right there.
Only 6 Republicans sided with all 50 Democrat Senators to argue it is Constitutional (Just because they voted that it is, still doesn't make it so) The trial commences tomorrow.
Fake trial- they do not have the authority to bring a private citizen to trial, and Trump can't be impeached as he has already been removed from office by the election.
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Fake trial- they do not have the authority to bring a private citizen to trial, and Trump can't be impeached as he has already been removed from office by the election.
My understanding is that this trial is to determine whether Trump commited an impeachable offence. His two record impeachments stand, whether we agree with them or not.
The Senate has voted 56-44 to proceed with this trial by rejecting Trump's legal team’s argument that the process was unconstitutional.
Will he be convicted? Conviction requires the support of two-thirds of the 100-member chamber. These things tend to fall along party lines and the vast majority of Republicans are currently opposed to the process as the 56-44 vote showed.
My understanding is that this trial is to determine whether Trump commited an impeachable offence. His two record impeachments stand, whether we agree with them or not.
The Senate has voted 56-44 to proceed with this trial by rejecting Trump's legal team’s argument that the process was unconstitutional.
Will he be convicted? Conviction requires the support of two-thirds of the 100-member chamber. These things tend to fall along party lines and the vast majority of Republicans are currently opposed to the process as the 56-44 vote showed.
His two record Impeachment’s being acquitted actually. Let’s remember that the impeachment’s were led by a partisan house with an axe to grind. The Democrat ****, have weaponised the impeachment power and are not correctly applying it, they failed to follow due process on the second rushed impeachment. He will be acquitted but to say this fake impeachment trial is due and proper is manifestly absurd.
His two record Impeachment’s being acquitted actually. Let’s remember that the impeachment’s were led by a partisan house with an axe to grind. The Democrat ****, have weaponised the impeachment power and are not correctly applying it, they failed to follow due process on the second rushed impeachment. He will be acquitted but to say this fake impeachment trial is due and proper is manifestly absurd.
Two Impeachments acquitted, is this trial the third?
His two record Impeachment’s being acquitted actually. Let’s remember that the impeachment’s were led by a partisan house with an axe to grind. The Democrat ****, have weaponised the impeachment power and are not correctly applying it, they failed to follow due process on the second rushed impeachment. He will be acquitted but to say this fake impeachment trial is due and proper is manifestly absurd.
It's not one particular party that's at fault, it's the whole partisan nature of impeachments that let the US down.
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Re: Trump impeachment: Senate trial to start
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It's not one particular party that's at fault, it's the whole partisan nature of impeachments that let the US down.
It's the totally screwed up state of the union that is now letting the US down. Trailer park versus the mighty dollar. Never before has the dire result of the so-called American Dream been so starkly exposed.
The videos being shown are pretty extraordinary though. Lots of new footage showing how bad it almost got. The latest one is the police officer directing Romney to turn around and head to safety whilst the mob was advancing in the building.
This time it's the buildings own footage so we're seeing it from the Senators side a lot more. Pictures of how close they came. Police screaming for backup and so on. It does show it was a very dangerous situation. The **** were trying to find where the lawmakers were hiding.
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As you know, I'm not a Trump fan.
But, Trump's lawyers are taking the prosecution and particularly the Democrats apart.
Imo, the defence has proved to my satisfaction at least, that the prosecution's evidence would not meet the standards of a US court of law. Indeed, the prosecution's evidence includes provable falsehoods and deliberate editing of evidence.
As bad as Trump is/was as a person, this misguided and political prosecution is a disgrace that makes the Democrat Congress into a disreputable bunch.
The perpetrators of the Capitol invasion are the ones that must be prosecuted and nobody else.
It’s the U.S attitude of it could never happen. Even though there were warning of a planned Capitol protest that has the potential to be violent, there should have been extra security. I don’t think the protesters expected to be so easy to get to the actual chambers of the heart of Congress.
Democrats have acted in total disgrace here, but this is their pathetic way. They haven’t followed due process. Showed selective edited video. Decided to change the actual legal definition of Inciting. But the trial itself is unconstitutional, there is a Democrat Senator, Patrick Leahy, who is a “Judge and juror”, he gets to vote as well.
Impeachment power is being abused and incorrectly applied. The text in the Constitution is explicit, the impeachment clause is for the sitting President, not a former. The fact that the Supreme Court Chief Justice refused to preside over this sham of an impeachment trial suggests he did so because it’s not Constitutional.
It’s the U.S attitude of it could never happen. Even though there were warning of a planned Capitol protest that has the potential to be violent, there should have been extra security. I don’t think the protesters expected to be so easy to get to the actual chambers of the heart of Congress.
Democrats have acted in total disgrace here, but this is their pathetic way. They haven’t followed due process. Showed selective edited video. Decided to change the actual legal definition of Inciting. But the trial itself is unconstitutional, there is a Democrat Senator, Patrick Leahy, who is a “Judge and juror”, he gets to vote as well.
Impeachment power is being abused and incorrectly applied. The text in the Constitution is explicit, the impeachment clause is for the sitting President, not a former. The fact that the Supreme Court Chief Justice refused to preside over this sham of an impeachment trial suggests he did so because it’s not Constitutional.
Then what actions should be taken against a President, who at the time of their alleged offence was still the office holder?
Doing nothing appears not to be an option, if for no other reason than to prevent it happening again.
Likely that Trump will be acquitted as soon as this weekend. This could be a good outcome for the Democrats as Trump can still be a contender for 2024 which will divide the Republican Party.
Then what actions should be taken against a President, who at the time of their alleged offence was still the office holder?
Doing nothing appears not to be an option, if for no other reason than to prevent it happening again.
Nothing can be done because of the 1st Amendment. If Trump is to be targeted for using “Fight like hell”, then so can the Democrats who used similar speech and encouraged BLM protests that saw cities and many businesses burned to the ground.
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Likely that Trump will be acquitted as soon as this weekend. This could be a good outcome for the Democrats as Trump can still be a contender for 2024 which will divide the Republican Party.
From all accounts the Biden White House is fuming. Apparently, it was overheard being said there, “I told you jackasses, this trial would blow up in our faces.”
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Democrats used same language as Trump. Incited attacks on him... but it’s not about whataboutism...
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