Brexit (Old)

[Stephen]

Article 50: Law officer says UK can cancel Brexit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-46428579

The non-binding opinion was delivered by the European Court of Justice's advocate general.
In a written statement, the ECJ said Mr Campos Sanchez-Bordona's opinion was that if a country decided to leave the EU, it should also have the power to change its mind during the two-year exit process specified in Article 50 of the EU treaty.

And it should be able to do so without needing the consent of the other 27 member states.

The ECJ statement said the advocate general had proposed that the Court of Justice should "declare that Article 50 allows the unilateral revocation of the notification of the intention to withdraw from the EU".

It added: "That possibility continues to exist until such time as the withdrawal agreement is formally concluded."

We knew that anyway really.

[heero_yuy]

Quote from Bloomberg:

When Tony Blair and Boris Johnson unite in their condemnation of the “deal” under which Theresa May proposes that the U.K. should leave the EU, you know something has gone badly wrong. The withdrawal agreement is less a carefully crafted diplomatic compromise and more the result of incompetence of a high order. I have friends who are passionate Remainers and others who are passionate Leavers. None of them believe this deal makes any sense. It is time to think again, and the first step is to reject a deal that is the worst of all worlds.

There have been three episodes in modern history when the British political class let down the rest of the country: in the 1930s, with appeasement; in the 1970s, when the British economy was the “sick man” of Europe and the government saw its role as managing decline; and now, in the turmoil that has followed the Brexit referendum. In all three cases, the conventional wisdom of the day was wrong.

Link to full piece by Mervyn King (Ex Governor of BoE) above.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Article 50: Law officer says UK can cancel Brexit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-46428579



We knew that anyway really.

If it isn't fully set out on paper, then yet again it's just OPINION and not fact. "should be able to" is not the same as "can".

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by nomadking

If it isn't fully set out on paper, then yet again it's just OPINION and not fact. "should be able to" is not the same as "can".

Just like the referendum itself was to gain public OPINION and NOT that the Government HAD to go ahead with leaving the EU.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

All these negotiations with the EU just illustrate that in the free market of negotiations, the UK is weaker than the EU, China, the USA and others. Despite what some leavers hope, size does matter.

A useful point (highlighted) to make. But I still want shot of them.

Originally Posted by Stephen

Just like the referendum itself was to gain public OPINION and NOT that the Government HAD to go ahead with leaving the EU.

But it has a manifesto and a government funded leaflet that said it would enact the referendum result.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Just like the referendum itself was to gain public OPINION and NOT that the Government HAD to go ahead with leaving the EU.

Cameron said the result of the Referendum would be implemented. It was not advisory.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Cameron said the result of the Referendum would be implemented. It was not advisory.

It’s not within the competence of a Prime Minister to bind a future Parliament.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Mick

But it has a manifesto and a government funded leaflet that said it would enact the referendum result.

While this is true, there is nothing to state that a referendum result HAS to be carried out. They can be used to gather the opinion of the public/voters about certain laws or suggested changes that could be implemented.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

And many companies need to change their mentality around training up people as instead of seeing it as a easy way of cheaply exploiting them to their own ends with poor training they need to improve very much the standard of the training and that require more investment at the end of the day and too many companies are unwilling to do that IMO.

Aha! You've found one of the many advantages of Brexit! More training and better opportunities for our own people.

Incidentally, we should be seeing more of our own trained doctors coming through the system soon, following the increased training this and the last government made happen.

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Originally Posted by Dave42

Mick it the UK government choice it didn't act on rules to control migrants the non EU one have total control choose not to and 3 month rule on EU ones and choose not too

To be honest, Dave, we don't have a problem with migrants from outside of the EU because we have the ability to choose who we take on the basis of skills and whatever criteria we specify.

With EU migrants, anyone can come in and take jobs our own people could have had and at a cheaper wage. That is really the big issue people had with free movement.

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Originally Posted by jfman

It’s not within the competence of a Prime Minister to bind a future Parliament.

Maybe not, but it is what he said and in a democracy you would expect the government to implement Brexit if that was the situation.

Incidentally, it may be a different Parliament, but it is the same political party leading it.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s not within the competence of a Prime Minister to bind a future Parliament.

Strangely enough that is exactly what the EU does. One Prime Minister eg Tony Blair, can enact something nobody else can overturn or even object to.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Strangely enough that is exactly what the EU does. One Prime Minister eg Tony Blair, can enact something nobody else can overturn or even object to.

Yes, very good point. We keep forgetting that the EU is democratic in name only.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

All these negotiations with the EU just illustrate that in the free market of negotiations, the UK is weaker than the EU, China, the USA and others. Despite what some leavers hope, size does matter.

What does power have to do with it? It is a matter of coming to an agreement with mutual benefits. The problem here is that May was always going to roll over for the EU, like she does with so many other things.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Aha! You've found one of the many advantages of Brexit! More training and better opportunities for our own people.

Incidentally, we should be seeing more of our own trained doctors coming through the system soon, following the increased training this and the last government made happen.

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To be honest, Dave, we don't have a problem with migrants from outside of the EU because we have the ability to choose who we take on the basis of skills and whatever criteria we specify.

With EU migrants, anyone can come in and take jobs our own people could have had and at a cheaper wage. That is really the big issue people had with free movement.

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Maybe not, but it is what he said and in a democracy you would expect the government to implement Brexit if that was the situation.

Incidentally, it may be a different Parliament, but it is the same political party leading it.

isn't up to government to inforce the law of minimum wage and free movement worked both ways OB and it aint fault of EU if UK government choice not to use rule that can control EU movement 3 month rule

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BBC drop Brexit tv debate between TM and JC proposal breaking news on sky news

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Dave42

BBC drop Brexit tv debate between TM and JC proposal breaking news on sky news

Pretty inevitable given both want a debate that suits their own agenda's.