Coronavirus

So was Thanos.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I didn’t because they were unnecessary. Schools didn’t close. Many schools still had over 50% occupancy just with key workers and vulnerable children. There is no evidence that restricting children attending school helped whatsoever. As a school governor, there is an abundance of evidence that restricting access to school has had a very measurable impact to development of children and the impact is not academic as you might expect especially in KS1/KS2 but emotionally especially in KS1. The kids are just equipped to cope with school.

Semantics up there with OB claiming the original variant went away in summer. Equally every school holiday is correlated with a drop in community transmission.

Not sure what being a school governor has to do with anything other than perhaps explaining an emotive and irrational response to the subject of pandemic management.

If anything comes of any inquiry, it will be that in closing schools the negatives far outweighed any perceived benefit.

Optimus Prime will sort it. Given that there is no real data atm. Your certainty is misplaced. Or is Hypothetical at best

:Tu:

As I say, you've been wrong before. You aren't considering the data. You're just opining about a subject you profess to be bored of and not care about. Yet here you are, passionately opining that there's no justification for any restrictions nor lockdowns.

You may claim there's no real data, but unfortunately - as before - taking a British centric approach to data leads to being late to the table.

My certainty is well placed. Give it a month, max. See I consider the data. I care about the subject. And I don't view it through an ideological prism of despising state intervention at all costs - even if it's saving jobs and lives.

Originally Posted by jfman

My certainty is well placed. Give it a month, max. See I consider the data. I care about the subject. And I don't view it through an ideological prism of despising state intervention at all costs - even if it's saving jobs and lives.

Best laugh I’ve had all evening.

You’ve been predicting “lockdown within a month” ever since summer. Even a broken clock is right twice a day - if there’s a lockdown of any sort this winter, you won’t have predicted it based on data.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Semantics up there with OB claiming the original variant went away in summer.

I’m a school governor, I am seeing the school plans being put in place to try and get the pupils to recover from some of them being restricted from attending for no good reason.

You, however are not.

As I say, you've been wrong before.

as have you, regardless of your self adulation, I guarantee many of your recent proclamations won’t age well.

You aren't considering the data.

that’s all I’m considering.

You may claim there's no real data, but unfortunately - as before - taking a British centric approach to data leads to being late to the table.

if you have data I’ll view it ………..do you have any?…………

My certainty is well placed. Give it a month, max.

I’ve bookmarked it.

See I consider the data. I care about the subject

You are a wonderful human being. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. I believe in you. You can do it!

And I don't view it through an ideological prism of despising state intervention at all costs - even if it's saving jobs and lives.

Not when there’s free money…why would you.

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Originally Posted by Chris

Best laugh I’ve had all evening.

You’ve been predicting “lockdown within a month” ever since summer. Even a broken clock is right twice a day - if there’s a lockdown of any sort this winter, you won’t have predicted it based on data.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

Best laugh I’ve had all evening.

You’ve been predicting “lockdown within a month” ever since summer. Even a broken clock is right twice a day - if there’s a lockdown of any sort this winter, you won’t have predicted it based on data.

Grateful if you could source a single post where I predicted a lockdown within a month at any point since July.

We both know I've not predicted that - I have said at points if growth rates aren't kept in check, via other restrictions, a lockdown is inevitable as the emergency brake. Growth rates have fluctuated - in particular around school holidays - and finally vaccines for teenagers and boosters with mRNA vaccines are all positives.

However they only push back so much. Against Delta the Government have found it's sweet spot of cases, hospitalisations and deaths that it can live with - R roughly 1. 50k/1k/200.

Yet Omicron is out there - R is at least 2 it could be as high as 4. It throws the whole thing in the bin if the NHS is at 70-80% capacity. That's why this prediction is substantively different from the others.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

I’m a school governor, I am seeing the school plans being put in place to try and get the pupils to recover from some of them being restricted from attending for no good reason.

You, however are not.

Educators looking after educators interests - long holidays on an agricultural calendar. I'm sure they're totally impartial.

I guarantee many of your recent proclamations won’t age well.

I cannot wait. You have no basis to offer any such guarantees other than blind hope. I've ignored the rest of your post - as you've said you don't consider there is a point in bringing in restrictions so pointing to any evidence in either direction is a fruitless exercise.

You're a school governor after all, I'm sure you could source your own empirical data if genuinely interested.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Educators looking after educators interests - long holidays on an agricultural calendar. I'm sure they're totally impartial.

priceless….you on the Buckfast tonight?

I cannot wait.

well it’s only a few weeks.

I've ignored the rest of your post

well why change a winning formula?

[jfman]

Well Pierre, I think we can substantively leave it there for a couple of weeks at least I'm not lowering myself to your petty insults. Our chips are in.

That said I'm not sure I'd want to be in your school. After all...

Sentences start with a capital letter and end with a full stop. Basic literacy? Public health? Who knows where your interests lie.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Why is "more transmissible" far far worse than "more deadly" ?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Having COVID wouldn't protect you from getting the flu unfortunately. It would be a bad day at the office if you got both at the same time though.

I may have dreamt this and therefore may end up looking silly but I'm sure I heard or read that it's hard to catch covid if you have a cold as the cold virus is a stronger virus and physically stops covid invading the already infected cells. I could quite easily be wrong on this though

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Originally Posted by Taf

I remember some saying that flu and cold viruses basically strong-armed their way into our cells, preventing covid-19 from getting in and replicating.

Perhaps we had the same dream, worryingly

Originally Posted by Paul

Why is "more transmissible" far far worse than "more deadly" ?

Because it can infect more people. The virus itself might not be more deadly per person injected but the spread might be more deadly if it hits more people.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

I'm not lowering myself to your petty insults………………………………………Sentences start with a capital letter and end with a full stop.

At least you haven’t lost your sense of humour, or Irony. See you in a few weeks.

Originally Posted by Damien

Because it can infect more people. The virus itself might not be more deadly per person injected but the spread might be more deadly if it hits more people.

Like the common cold you mean? Well we have learned to live with it why not a more transmissible but gentler version of Covid?All these infections are seeking to get replicated quickly and fast.A gentler version would be much more successful in surviving.

[mrmistoffelees]

Conjecture & speculation.. but with current ongoings will anyone take note?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/1697..._source=pushly

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Conjecture & speculation.. but with current ongoings will anyone take note?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/1697..._source=pushly

I'm hoping it is just the usual meticulous Sun journalism.

Boris Johnson set to introduce Plan B TODAY

and from same article

Number 10 said it is prepared to act swiftly against the threat — although officials insisted there are currently no plans to bring in extra restrictions

and

Downing Street last night pushed back on bringing in Plan B — insisting there was currently no need.

Dominic Raab said: “We don’t think Plan B is required because of the success of the vaccine.”

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Conjecture & speculation.. but with current ongoings will anyone take note?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/1697..._source=pushly

Also in the FT...

UK prime minister Boris Johnson is set to announce fresh restrictions in England to curb the spread of the Omicron coronavirus variant, as he faced new questions over parties held in Downing Street last Christmas.

Three senior Whitehall officials told the Financial Times that the government had decided to implement the so-called Plan B of further restrictions, including requiring vaccine passports for large venues and an order to work from home.

Johnson’s decision to act reflects growing concern at the rapid spread of the Omicron variant, but government officials also said he wanted to regain the initiative after days of disastrous coverage over a Downing Street Christmas party last year.

One said the move to Plan B — much earlier than expected — was a “dead cat” move by Johnson to distract attention from the row over a leaked video of a mock Downing Street press conference showing staff laughing about the party, which breached Covid-19 rules.

Ministers on the Covid operations committee met on Wednesday to decide on the exact measures. One government insider suggested the work from home order could be implemented as soon as Wednesday night.