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Old 02-05-2019, 19:24   #2926
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Scotland will NOT leave the UK. We don't want to leave and also the UK Government will NOT grant the rights to hold another referendum. Sturgeon can do one.
Well said Stephen, we do not want one, the thought of using anothe currency is ludicrous
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Well said Stephen, we do not want one, the thought of using anothe currency is ludicrous
Why is it ludicrous? Same value at the end of the day, the name is irrelevant. If Scotland had the Euro since.2016, it would be much better off than the rest of the UK.
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Same here. I hope it's the SNP and Sturgeon that disappear first. Better yet, send all the Nats off to a distant Island and let them run that into the ground.
Rockall? Plenty of room on there for wee Jimmy and all of her friends.
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Why is it ludicrous? Same value at the end of the day, the name is irrelevant. If Scotland had the Euro since.2016, it would be much better off than the rest of the UK.
How would they have been much better off, when an important step would've been to reduce their deficit by 5%. That's a reduction in annual spending of about £8.5bn.
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How would they have been much better off, when an important step would've been to reduce their deficit by 5%. That's a reduction in annual spending of about £8.5bn.
It's funny, isn't it, that SNP supporters have such a problem with figures?
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Old 03-05-2019, 01:38   #2931
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

I get really annoyed when people as much as say "let Scotland go". All Scotland does not want to go , we love the United Kingdom we do not want out, We are trying as much as we can to get rid of Nicola and her nasty party, We have relatives in England and friends we do not want this separation ,
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Why is it ludicrous? Same value at the end of the day, the name is irrelevant. If Scotland had the Euro since.2016, it would be much better off than the rest of the UK.
I doubt introducing currency exchange into the near £50 billion of goods and services Scottish companies sell to English customers each year would have done much to make us better off. Nor do I think many people having to visit a bureau de change before going shopping in Newcastle or Carlisle, or visiting family in Manchester or London, would think themselves better off either.

And the major deficit reduction programme Scotland would have to implement as a Euro member ... well that might pinch a bit too. £8 billion less spending per year in a country addicted to welfare freebies like prescriptions and nationwide pensioner bus passes, and a disproportionately high number of serious welfare cases compared to England, would make the SNP’s support base in the favelas of Glasgow and Dundee somewhat restless.
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I get really annoyed when people as much as say "let Scotland go". All Scotland does not want to go , we love the United Kingdom we do not want out, We are trying as much as we can to get rid of Nicola and her nasty party, We have relatives in England and friends we do not want this separation ,
Unfortunately, nashville, it seems that a very sizeable minority of Scots dislike or even despise the English. This is what is causing the reaction from the south. No-one I know despises the Scots, but there can be no doubt that this persistent call for independence from Sturgeon's party is whipping people up against the SNP. Most English do not dislike the Scots, though. I have never come across this in all my years.
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Unfortunately, nashville, it seems that a very sizeable minority of Scots dislike or even despise the English. This is what is causing the reaction from the south. No-one I know despises the Scots, but there can be no doubt that this persistent call for independence from Sturgeon's party is whipping people up against the SNP. Most English do not dislike the Scots, though. I have never come across this in all my years.
As an English man living in Scotland almost 15 years, I can tell you I’ve never once encountered hatred ... and I know a few card carrying SNP members.

These people certainly exist but they’re not even a large minority. Though I agree the SNP’s rhetoric is unhelpful as it very often sounds like “Westminster” is code for “the English”.
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

New datapoint on the independence question:

My Scotland poll: Yes to independence takes the lead/




Just a datapoint but I can see that after No Deal hit the fan, this sentiment will increase ..
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

So what? There have been polls still saying no after the Brexit vote and ones saying yes before any Scottish referendum vote.

Perhaps the Scots should concentrate on getting their deficit down to 3%, rather than around the 8% it is now. EU rules that they are supposed to be in favour of, insist on a maximum of 3%.

Considering there ISN'T a deal of any sort on the table, what is this magical "known" alternative? Are we expected to simply accept whatever the EU throws our way, regardless of what it is?


There is so much completely unexplained about what would happen in an independent Scotland. Eg how to deal with a hard England-Scotland border. A lot of Scottish imports and exports go via England.

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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Polls like this come around from time to time and have done so for many years. Boris-Brexit may be the pretext for this one but it hasn’t been for any of the past ones and won’t be in future. The vast, vast majority of polls, taken over many years, are no, no and no.

Scottish politics can be quite nuanced and is frequently misunderstood by those who do not follow it closely (and that is quite hard to do without living here).

Pollsters frequently pick issues which they know will enrage sufficient numbers of Scottish voters and run an independence poll in the immediate aftermath. An upswing in support for independence always makes good headlines, especially during the summer silly season when little else is happening.

But the underlying sentiment hasn’t changed. When people are confronted with the actual issues and severe difficulties of independence, rather than the latest Tory bogeyman, then a comfortable majority of them remain supportive of the union.

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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Leaving seems to be the 'in thing', who can blame the Scots? Don't see that the UK will be particularly attractive post Brexit. I'm a Remainer all round, find it curious that those that are so fond of Leaving want the Scots to Remain in the post Brexit Little England. Europe offers them and us so much more. Hope they stay but I'd be for leaving the UK if I was a Scot.
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New datapoint on the independence question:

My Scotland poll: Yes to independence takes the lead/




Just a datapoint but I can see that after No Deal hit the fan, this sentiment will increase ..
I definately do not want another referendum. I said No and I meant No, God help us we we were ruled by Sturgeon or her crown ,
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

On the other hand, the prospect of Scottish Independence happening on this polling 52%-48%. Would be pretty funny.
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