General Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019) - Page 86

OLD BOY · 16-07-2019, 20:29

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Originally Posted by StopThePigeon

Thanks, Den - I think...
I need to weigh-up any benefit of upgrading to V6 - losing all my Tivo recordings, versus gaining the Amazon Prime feature (which I can access via a Fire stick).

I made a list of my 'must see' recordings and when I changed to my V6, I established alternative ways to see them. Some were available by VOD, some by way of Netflix or Amazon, and others I simply recorded from repeat showings. I got them all in the end!

OLD BOY · 17-07-2019, 07:46

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Originally Posted by jfman

We've been asked to move the conversation on, seeing as Sky Atlantic isn't Coming Soon to Virgin TV. Although I suspect the ASA remit doesn't extend to corporate press releases.

Just like last March you were adamant that Prime was not coming to VM and there was absolutely no reason why VM would offer it on the V6. You will be proved wrong again, jfman.

jfman · 17-07-2019, 08:00

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Just like last March you were adamant that Prime was not coming to VM and there was absolutely no reason why VM would offer it on the V6. You will be proved wrong again, jfman.

Won't linear television be gone by the next Sky basics contact? Make your mind up...

Happy to be proven wrong in Prime, although it remains to be seen if they integrate it into their packages or not.

Now I can watch Prime on my Smart TV, Chromecast, Fire Stick, PlayStation 4, iPad, Android phone or on my V6.

Maybe I'm not one of these old folk that rely on TV companies to make choices on what apps I can have

OLD BOY · 17-07-2019, 08:23

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Originally Posted by jfman

Won't linear television be gone by the next Sky basics contact? Make your mind up...

Happy to be proven wrong in Prime, although it remains to be seen if they integrate it into their packages or not.

Now I can watch Prime on my Smart TV, Chromecast, Fire Stick, PlayStation 4, iPad, Android phone or on my V6.

Maybe I'm not one of these old folk that rely on TV companies to make choices on what apps I can have

I don't understand your first point. I am talking about the Sky carriage contract that is being implemented any time now. We do not know the duration of that contract. Might be 3, 5 or 10 years, who knows, but I am reasonably confident that Sky's linear channels will still be around in 10 years, although their days may be numbered by then.

I don't believe that Prime will be integrated into Virgin's packages just yet, but when there are more streaming services available, I think they will evetually do so. Sky have already integrated Netflix into their packages by offering it with Sky Box Sets at a discount. I appreciate that you can watch Prime in a variety of ways, but my point all along has been that once launched on Virgin, you will be able to bookmark all shows on your watch list in 'My Shows' on the Virgin menu. It is inconvenient and disjointed to have separate watch lists on each separate service. Much better and efficient to have them all in one place.

I would not want anyone to make choices on what streaming apps I can access either. What I do want is for Sky, Virgin Media and BT to offer the full range of streaming services so that we can make our choices without having to get a multitude of sticks and boxes just to watch them.

denphone · 17-07-2019, 08:32

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Originally Posted by jfman

Won't linear television be gone by the next Sky basics contact? Make your mind up...

We both know what he said but as with all chameleons it changes one day to the next.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I am talking about the Sky carriage contract that is being implemented any time now. We do not know the duration of that contract. Might be 3, 5 or 10 years, who knows, but I am reasonably confident that Sky's linear channels will still be around in 10 years, although their days may be numbered by then.

As ever several contradictions in the same post...

jfman · 17-07-2019, 08:40

We are back to pay TV operators should give streamers a leg up. It's almost as if he knows many of the business models will be fledgling.

I'm going to predict we will see more follow the Eleven Sportdroute than the Amazon/Netflix one.

OLD BOY · 17-07-2019, 08:43

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Originally Posted by denphone

We both know what he said but as with all chameleons it changes one day to the next.

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As ever several contradictions in the same post...

Er, it will not be 2035 in 10 years, Den. What are you talking about? I haven't contradicted anything I've said before, so perhaps you should be clearer about what you are referring to.

japitts · 17-07-2019, 08:47

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Originally Posted by spiderplant

You could get the V6 as an extra box, and keep the TiVo. If you connect the TiVo by Ethernet to your hub, you'd even be able to watch the recordings via your V6

Technically this sounds like a good solution... I'm assuming this would be chargeable. If VM had, say, a 1month or 3month free period to cover the emptying of full-ish TiVo boxes, I wonder how many extra swapouts they'd get...

OLD BOY · 17-07-2019, 08:54

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Originally Posted by jfman

We are back to pay TV operators should give streamers a leg up. It's almost as if he knows many of the business models will be fledgling.

I'm going to predict we will see more follow the Eleven Sportdroute than the Amazon/Netflix one.

I don't think the likes of Disney + need a leg up as you put it. They can manage very well on their own. We are talking about convenience for customers, which in turn will encourage those customers to stick with their provider to access TV.

When the linear channels finally depart our screens it will be the streamers that are left, so clearly this is the way to go.

jfman · 17-07-2019, 09:28

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I don't think the likes of Disney + need a leg up as you put it. They can manage very well on their own. We are talking about convenience for customers, which in turn will encourage those customers to stick with their provider to access TV.

When the linear channels finally depart our screens it will be the streamers that are left, so clearly this is the way to go.

You still haven't actually explained how streaming is more convenient than the current range of options (including streaming and on demand services).

I'm sure Disney can manage but it's a finite marketplace as Eleven discovered. You don't know that people want (and will pay for) six or seven subscriptions.

OLD BOY · 17-07-2019, 13:01

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Originally Posted by jfman

You still haven't actually explained how streaming is more convenient than the current range of options (including streaming and on demand services).

I'm sure Disney can manage but it's a finite marketplace as Eleven discovered. You don't know that people want (and will pay for) six or seven subscriptions.

I didn't know I had to. Seems obvious to me, but perhaps you can explain to me what you mean more precisely by your question. Clearly there is a subtlty behind it that I have missed.

I think people will be willing to pay what they pay now, at the expense of linear pay TV.

jfman · 17-07-2019, 13:08

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I didn't know I had to. Seems obvious to me, but perhaps you can explain to me what you mean more precisely by your question. Clearly there is a subtlty behind it that I have missed.

I think people will be willing to pay what they pay now, at the expense of linear pay TV.

Is your arrogant stance that less choice of delivery methods = more convenient? Wow.

OLD BOY · 17-07-2019, 13:12

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Originally Posted by jfman

Is your arrogant stance that less choice of delivery methods = more convenient? Wow.

Where have I ever said I want less choice? You are a fine one to talk about arrogance, by the way, turning everything on its head and postulating that it's all about your upside down view of everything.

Reminder: it was you that poured scorn on the likelihood of Amazon Prime coming to Virgin Media, and your protestations were conveyed with as much confidence as your attitude towards Sky Atlantic and Amazon carrying the Premier League.

I don't buy it. I don't buy it at all, and you will be proved wrong.

jfman · 17-07-2019, 13:29

You can not buy it all you like, that doesn't change the reality.

The Amazon on V6 thing doesn't change much to be honest. I gave an opinion on it and it went the other way. I don't have the strength of feeling you seem to think I do.

Raider999 · 17-07-2019, 13:31

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I didn't know I had to. Seems obvious to me, but perhaps you can explain to me what you mean more precisely by your question. Clearly there is a subtlty behind it that I have missed.

I think people will be willing to pay what they pay now, at the expense of linear pay TV.

I would also like to know how having streaming only will be better than the current offering (linear tv with a few streaming options)?

By your own admission streaming sports is not easy or viable at present (and that you don't watch sport), therefore linear channels will remain, if only for sport, in the forseeable future.