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Old 30-08-2019, 17:24   #1
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More child abusers jailed

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Aftab Hussain, 40, was jailed for 24 years and Abid Saddiq, 38, for 20 years, with the judge calling the latter a "determined sexual predator".

The three other men sentenced were Masaued Malik, 35, who was jailed for five years; Sharaz Hussain, 35, who was jailed for four years and another man, who cannot be named for legal reasons, who was jailed for 10 years.
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Old 30-08-2019, 18:08   #2
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Re: More child abusers jailed

Terrible these things happened, good that they have been punished.
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Old 30-08-2019, 22:03   #3
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Re: More child abusers jailed

John Smith wasn’t there , apparently.

Although Scotland yard are looking into the John Smith, Dave Jones paedo ring.............nothing as yet.
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Although Scotland yard are looking into the John Smith, Dave Jones paedo ring.............nothing as yet.
Should have spent more of their time investigating Epstien or the Catholic Church really.
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Should have spent more of their time investigating Epstien or the Catholic Church really.
Luckily they did investigate Matthew Falder, Richard Huckle and the Bristol paedos - tbf, they were not called Smith or Jones, just Robin Hollyson, Christopher Knight, Matthew Stansfield, Adam Toms, John Denham, Matthew Lisk, and David Harsley.
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Luckily they did investigate Matthew Falder, Richard Huckle and the Bristol paedos - tbf, they were not called Smith or Jones, just Robin Hollyson, Christopher Knight, Matthew Stansfield, Adam Toms, John Denham, Matthew Lisk, and David Harsley.
1) These tend to be individuals acting alone.
2) Where they're acting as a group, they are spread out geographically Eg.
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Robin Hollyson, 31, from Bedfordshire, was sentenced to 24 years in prison and a further eight years on licence. He was filmed abusing the baby. Christopher Knight, 35, from Manchester, was jailed for 18 years, with an extension of six years on licence. Matthew Stansfield, 35, from Hampshire was jailed for 14 years. Adam Toms, 33, from Somerset, received a 12-year sentence, and four years on licence
3) The authorities didn't know about them.
4) They tend to be out and out paedophiles.
5) Alcohol, drugs, and threats of violence are not used that often.


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1) Always in groups.
2) Usually based in the same town, area, street, workplace.

3) Often the authorities DID have some info of what was going on.
4) It was more a question of what age group was susceptible to there methods. If it had be 30-year old that were susceptible, than that is who would have been abused in that way.
5) Alcohol, drugs, and threats of violence were regularly used.
6) Additionally they were routinely trafficked around the country to many more men not identified and not prosecuted.

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Vulnerable girls were targeted and given alcohol and drugs before some were raped by multiple men, Sheffield Crown Court heard.
If you were to try and set up such a group, you would struggle to find somebody else to take part or even trust with your secrets. It would appear Muslims don't have such problems. If you can simply ask the person next to you, then it doesn't say much about the company you keep.


A key difference with the Catholic priest situation was that people were (ill advisedly) attempting to protect the "good name" of the church, whereas the Muslim gangs are not senior figures in their faith.
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Re: More child abusers jailed

Sexual abusers come in all shapes,sizes,races,religions and genders..Let's leave it there.
Let's try to remember that 90% of the population despises this sort of behaviour and that blame lies with the perpetrators alone.
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Sexual abusers come in all shapes,sizes,races,religions and genders..Let's leave it there.
Let's try to remember that 90% of the population despises this sort of behaviour and that blame lies with the perpetrators alone.
Itink it's more ike 99.99% who despise it. 90% suggests it's acceptable to one in ten people.
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Old 31-08-2019, 10:19   #9
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Sexual abusers come in all shapes,sizes,races,religions and genders..Let's leave it there.
Let's try to remember that 90% of the population despises this sort of behaviour and that blame lies with the perpetrators alone.
If anything like 90% of Muslim community "despised" that sort of behaviour, then they wouldn't be able to simply ask the person next to them, for fear of the police being told. They are not supposedly in a gang(unless you count Islam as one big gang), but can find collaborators working in the same taxi firm, takeaway, etc or in the same street , town etc. Then they tend to collaborate with others in other town/cities. The number taking part is at the very least, 10 times the number prosecuted. How do the gangs find those in other towns/cities, and all from their own community?


Apart from those already in a gang of some sort, the rest of us would find it extremely difficult to establish such a gang, even for innocent purposes(eg quiz team, book club, etc).
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If anything like 90% of Muslim community "despised" that sort of behaviour, then they wouldn't be able to simply ask the person next to them, for fear of the police being told. They are not supposedly in a gang(unless you count Islam as one big gang), but can find collaborators working in the same taxi firm, takeaway, etc or in the same street , town etc. Then they tend to collaborate with others in other town/cities. The number taking part is at the very least, 10 times the number prosecuted. How do the gangs find those in other towns/cities, and all from their own community?


Apart from those already in a gang of some sort, the rest of us would find it extremely difficult to establish such a gang, even for innocent purposes(eg quiz team, book club, etc).
So where's the proof?
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So where's the proof?
Of what specifically?
There definite proof that people working in the same business, street, or town have no trouble collaborating. Nobody that they approached said no or reported them to the police.
To achieve that requires a very high concentration of potential participants. The lower the concentration, the further afield you have to look.
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Over 15 years, from the age of 14, Caitlin Spencer was raped by thousands of men.
And how many of those thousands prosecuted? How did the gang find them? Even the most hardcore non-Muslim paedophile gang wouldn't find that many to actively take part.
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Rotherham, Oxford, Rochdale, Derby, Banbury, Telford, Peterborough, Aylesbury, Bristol, Halifax, Keighley, Newcastle... now Huddersfield. The list seems endless… and there will almost certainly be more.
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In total 20 men, from Huddersfield, Sheffield, Bradford and Dewsbury, have been convicted and sentenced for their part in the abuse.
The court heard many other perpetrators have not been identified and girls spoke of being abused by men they heard being called "Mangos" - a term used for men from Pakistan who did not really speak English.
Prosecutor Richard Wright QC told the court: "These men cared only for themselves and viewed these girls as objects to be used an abused at will.
"These men did not only control the girls by grooming them, they were also quite capable of employing threats of violence if the need arose, on occasion using violence and threats to control them and force them into sexual activity against their will."
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British-Pakistani researchers have found that 84% of all people convicted since 2005 for the specific crime of gang grooming were Asian.
Mr Afzal also warned gang grooming was not the most common form of child sexual abuse.
Of course that doesn't include Somalis and other Muslims in the term "Asian" and those taking part but not identified and/or prosecuted.
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"British white men they tend to work individually. They tend to work online where they groom and they are the majority of perpetrators. When it comes to Asian men or Pakistani men they tend to do it in groups," Mr Afzal said.
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Quilliam's researchers found 264 people have been convicted for the specific crime of gang grooming since 2005, and of those offenders 222 or 84% were Asian.
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Thirteen men, all of Somali origin, have been convicted of the systematic sexual abuse of vulnerable girls as young as 13 in Bristol and officers are investigating claims against 49 other suspects.
Add those 13 to the 222 and you get a minimum of 89% Muslim.

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Luckily they did investigate Matthew Falder, Richard Huckle and the Bristol paedos - tbf, they were not called Smith or Jones, just Robin Hollyson, Christopher Knight, Matthew Stansfield, Adam Toms, John Denham, Matthew Lisk, and David Harsley.
Nice try but no cigar, youíre an intelligent person and I would hope, know, that the circumstances are different, and to try to equate, and therefore normalise, this issue of the Asian paedophile grooming rings, is the the same kind of liberal hand ringing that allowed them to operate for so long, known, and unopposed, in the first place.
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You obviously missed my first post in this thread...
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You obviously missed my first post in this thread...
Punished around 20 years after the events.
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You obviously missed my first post in this thread...
No I didnít, but then I also saw your second...................
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