17-01-2016, 17:40
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
They could launch rocket propelled sternly worded letters.
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17-01-2016, 17:40
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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1 million pound mansions in London made his statement loose some credibility for me
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Agreed. In much of London a million pounds will barely buy a house and in some of London won't get much above a single bedroom flat, if that.
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17-01-2016, 18:09
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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They could launch rocket propelled sternly worded letters.
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Or white flags of surrender maybe.
When Corbyn's removed as party leader, I'm sure he could have a lucrative future ahead of him in Eurolalaland. They appreciate stupid ideas after all...
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17-01-2016, 18:21
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
Judging from the deafening silence emanating from our lefty leaning friends, it may just be possible that even the hardened left are realising that he's made the Labour party unelectable while he's in power. I don't think Labour have a mechanism to remove him either if he doesn't step down. This may mean that they need to give up 2020 before a new character can be put into place.
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17-01-2016, 19:18
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Originally Posted by techguyone
Judging from the deafening silence emanating from our lefty leaning friends, it may just be possible that even the hardened left are realising that he's made the Labour party unelectable while he's in power. I don't think Labour have a mechanism to remove him either if he doesn't step down. This may mean that they need to give up 2020 before a new character can be put into place.
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Yup and I'm sure the Tories will be delighted to see Corbyn in place for a very long time.
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17-01-2016, 20:32
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
Well, I like him (!) He's honest and hasn't changed his views or image to win votes. It may well be that he is 'unelectable' at the moment - but the next election is a long time away and a lot can happen. He's providing an opposition; the right of the labour party is only offering a Tory 'lite' agenda - what's the point ? - it denies people a choice.
Cameron/Clegg/Blair - you'd be hard pushed to tell the difference if you didn't know which party they were from. With Corbyn, you know you've got a difference and a choice. He'll be there to pick up the pieces when the Tory party inevitably presses the the self destruct button (it'll have the word 'Europe' on it, again !).
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17-01-2016, 20:39
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Originally Posted by Osem
He'll be suggesting the RAF flies planes without bombs.
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Or flies without planes, especially when on aircraft carriers
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Well, I like him (!) He's honest and hasn't changed his views or image to win votes. It may well be that he is 'unelectable' at the moment - but the next election is a long time away and a lot can happen. He's providing an opposition; the right of the labour party is only offering a Tory 'lite' agenda - what's the point ? - it denies people a choice.
Cameron/Clegg/Blair - you'd be hard pushed to tell the difference if you didn't know which party they were from. With Corbyn, you know you've got a difference and a choice. He'll be there to pick up the pieces when the Tory party inevitably presses the the self destruct button (it'll have the word 'Europe' on it, again !).
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I agree and so do many millions more regardless of party politics
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17-01-2016, 21:02
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Put loudspeakers on in place of the warheads that will play a sound effect of 'bang' really loudly.
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Yeah, and they could fire paint!! Really freak the opposition out.
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17-01-2016, 21:24
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Yeah, and they could fire paint!! Really freak the opposition out.
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Now you're just being silly.
I've had a better idea.
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18-01-2016, 07:59
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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I think he is suggesting that they are converted to conventional weapons, which is feasible as the yanks have converted some of their Ohios to ssgns.
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18-01-2016, 08:31
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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I think he is suggesting that they are converted to conventional weapons, which is feasible as the yanks have converted some of their Ohios to ssgns.
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Indeed. Although they still have 14 of the 18 carrying Trident II. The 4 remaining can carry, amongst other things, nuclear tipped cruise missiles.
The only real point in our having those submarines there is to deter a nuclear first strike against us.
Unlike the USA or Russia we don't have the benefit of enough land mass to put ICBMs far enough away from the coast that any incoming SLBMs will have an appreciable travel time and bombers are, for obvious reasons, vulnerable.
My local Labour party is I note considering a motion on unilateral disarmament that's recently come in. Unilateral disarmament is utter insanity.
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18-01-2016, 09:11
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
Actually, I've an idea for them. They could be converted into 'cruise' submarines - people would pay a fortune....
Replacement cost of trident is estimated to be £167bn ! ( http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6708126.html). More than the cost of the whole NHS for a year ! Bit expensive, for an out of date toy that nobody would ever use anyway.
We're in NATO - protected by the US - almost all other European countries don't feel the need for their own nuclear weapons. We're not a Super Power any longer, and insignificant to the Russians I'm sure.
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18-01-2016, 10:04
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Actually, I've an idea for them. They could be converted into 'cruise' submarines - people would pay a fortune....
Replacement cost of trident is estimated to be £167bn ! ( http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6708126.html). More than the cost of the whole NHS for a year ! Bit expensive, for an out of date toy that nobody would ever use anyway.
We're in NATO - protected by the US - almost all other European countries don't feel the need for their own nuclear weapons. We're not a Super Power any longer, and insignificant to the Russians I'm sure.
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Please try to understand the meaning of the word "deterrent".
For a nuclear deterrent to be "used", it must meet the following criteria:
1. It exists.
2. It works.
3. The will to launch it exists.
Note that *actually* firing it is not required for deterrence. Actually firing it is proof that deterrence had failed. At that point, it becomes a last-resort offensive weapon.
Trident is used 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, because Trident's primary mission is to deter an attack.
I'm not entirely sure why you artificially restrict your survey to other European nations. Nuclear weapons are proliferating in several other places, all of them less stable and posing a greater threat to our long-term security than Spain or Italy.
Though given your rather woolly thinking on this issue, I can't say I'm surprised that you don't understand how recent history might make the UK's ability to unilaterally defend itself something of a policy imperative.
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18-01-2016, 10:49
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Speaking on the flagship Andrew Marr Show on BBC1, the Labour leader said: “They don’t have to have nuclear warheads on them.”
The bombshell came in a mind-blowing 15 minutes where Mr Corbyn also called for talks with Argentina over the future of the Falklands.
He said it was ridiculous to argue about it in the 21st century and labelled the 1982 sinking of their Belgrano battleship a disaster. Falklands hero Simon Weston last night accused him of being ignorant of history.
Incredibly, Mr Corbyn even called for negotiations with IS fanatics to find a peace deal and discover their “strong points”.
Insisting a “back channel” with the IRA had worked in the past, he mused: “There has to be a route through somewhere.”
Labour policy ... Corbyn was backed by trade union chief Len McCluskey
He also wanted to tear up the law to allow “sympathy” strikes, where workers in one part of an industry or public service back another.
And he appeared to support the return of flying pickets, which threatened to bring industry to its knees in the early 1970s.
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18-01-2016, 10:51
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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We're in NATO - protected by the US - almost all other European countries don't feel the need for their own nuclear weapons. We're not a Super Power any longer, and insignificant to the Russians I'm sure.
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Why would you entrust the nations security to another nation.
There's no guarantee the US would retaliate with nukes if they themselves were not attacked, regardless of NATO.
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