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**Mick** · 17-09-2021, 09:09

BREAKING: Government U-Turn on parental consent on Covid vaccines. Chief Medical Officer Chris Witty says, Healthcare professionals will seek parent or carer consent for anyone aged 12-15 to get the #COVID19 vaccine. Witty has highlighted a case law from the 1980’s that says the decision to weigh up consent for children was laid down in law and cannot be overruled by doctors or ministers, a change in the law is required that must go through Parliament.

https://twitter.com/dhscgovuk/status...993487360?s=21

Sephiroth · 17-09-2021, 09:22

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

True, the behaviours shown over the June/July period weren't expected with older people staying at home more than was thought but hey, that's science, the modelling will be improved and refined to reflect these learnings.

Presumably you are referring to the science of modelling.
The unexpected behaviours of people can't really be modelled; one month's behaviour X can't be modelled in terms of another month's behaviour Y unless all the variable factors are understood - which they can't be.

The way to do this, imo, is to publish a set of models based on different behaviour assumptions. This has a greater chance of influencing behaviour. Such models cam be refined in the light of actuality and thus avoid being ridiculed.

heero_yuy · 17-09-2021, 09:35

The models that make the headlines in MSM are those of doom and destruction.

Those that make a case for a better outcome are conveniently ignored especially when El Gov. want to clamp down on peoples rights.

pip08456 · 17-09-2021, 09:53

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

True, the behaviours shown over the June/July period weren't expected with older people staying at home more than was thought but hey, that's science, the modelling will be improved and refined to reflect these learnings.

Will it also be improved to reflect the normal warmer weather in summer and schools closing as normal or was that unexpected?

Carth · 17-09-2021, 10:04

I think it was called 'guesswork' before someone had the bright idea to call it 'modelling' in order to make it sound much more clever and believable . . .

Sephiroth · 17-09-2021, 10:19

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Originally Posted by Carth

I think it was called 'guesswork' before someone had the bright idea to call it 'modelling' in order to make it sound much more clever and believable . . .

Right up there with the best of your posts!

jonbxx · 17-09-2021, 11:46

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

The models that make the headlines in MSM are those of doom and destruction.

Those that make a case for a better outcome are conveniently ignored especially when El Gov. want to clamp down on peoples rights.

Pretty much, yes. If you look at the original SPI-M reports such as this one there are multiple models compared with optimistic, middle and pessimistic predictions for outcomes. The ranges are huge in the graphs which does reflect the uncertainty in predictions. The SPI-M reports are very honest about the uncertainties and are also honest when the actual outcomes differ from predictions.

The press does like to pick up on the worst of worst cases as 'this is what is predicted'. It's just bad reporting to sell papers, and get clicks

**Mick** · 17-09-2021, 18:35

BREAKING: Health Secretary, Sajid Javid just announced on Twitter:

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Delighted to announce that we have secured a new treatment for hospitalised COVID patients which reduces the risk of death by a fifth.

Ronapreve will be available to NHS patients who have a weakened antibody response such as the immunocompromised from next week.

**Hugh** · 17-09-2021, 18:37

That’ll please my brother in law - he works for Regeneron…

**Mick** · 17-09-2021, 22:31

Ouch: He’s not having a very good end to the week, no wonder it’s being reported that President Biden’s sodded off to the North Shores beach for the weekend.

White House intended on rolling out booster shots in 3 days. Today, FDA overwhelmingly voted to shut that down. 1st clear revolt from bureaucracy during this admin. Sparked by 2 top officials retiring & denouncing boosters in Lancet paper.

joglynne · 19-09-2021, 15:21

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19 September 2021
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Invitations to book a COVID booster jab will be sent to one and a half million people this week as the NHS vaccination programme enters a new phase ahead of winter.

Texts allowing people to arrange a top-up through the National Booking Service will start going out from tomorrow (Monday), with letters also being sent later this week.

Those who have had their second vaccine at least six months ago are eligible for the booster jab to increase their protection.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2021/09/o...abs-this-week/

**Paul** · 19-09-2021, 15:42

Six months .. so even if I decided to take it, I have a while to wait.

heero_yuy · 19-09-2021, 16:01

My second shot was at the end of May so I'll probably get the invite.

**Damien** · 19-09-2021, 20:49

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Originally Posted by Mick

White House intended on rolling out booster shots in 3 days. Today, FDA overwhelmingly voted to shut that down. 1st clear revolt from bureaucracy during this admin. Sparked by 2 top officials retiring & denouncing boosters in Lancet paper.

IIRC This is only for a widespread booster program right? I believe they're still following the same approach as us in a booster for those at at higher risk or not?

jonbxx · 20-09-2021, 09:01

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Originally Posted by Hugh

That’ll please my brother in law - he works for Regeneron…

The Regeneron plant in Ireland (used to be a factory for Dell until they moved to Poland) is HUGELY expanding as the plant is taking on drugs currently manufactured in the US to make space for this new COVID therapy. 400 jobs have been added already and there are 72 vacancies at the Limerick plant right now.

Anyone want a job? - https://careers.regeneron.com/c/indu...ct-supply-jobs