08-01-2021, 18:16
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Chris
The best global data on vaccinations is here:
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
The UK is ranked 4th in the world both by absolute number of injections given, and also per 100 of population. By the latter measure Israel and the UAE are doing exceptionally well but this is because their distribution rate is very similar to ours, except to a much smaller population. Bahrain is a statistical anomaly because its population is tiny. In absolute terms China and the USA have administered more jabs than us but given their population size neither of them is actually keeping pace with us.
So far, the British vaccination programme is going really rather well, and it will only accelerate over the coming days thanks to the Oxford-AZ vaccine, which is made here and is easier to store and administer.
The best performing EU countries are Germany and Italy. These have managed only about a third of what we have.
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A great resource. Denmark now looks to be the best-performing EU country at 1.76 doses per 100 people and sixth overall just behind the USA.
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08-01-2021, 18:22
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Re: Coronavirus
Maybe relaxing restrictions at Christmas wasn't such a good idea if its cost thousands of lives.
Should have celebrated it when the all the vaccinations were done. God would understand, though if he does exist he's got a few questions answer....
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08-01-2021, 18:26
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Maybe relaxing restrictions at Christmas wasn't such a good idea if its cost thousands of lives.
Should have celebrated it when the all the vaccinations were done. God would understand, though if he does exist he's got a few questions answer....
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Christmas restrictions were loosened on the basis of the data at the time. It was tightened up again as the threat of the variant strain came into view. All 4 UK nations agreed and acted similarly in this regard, with local variations consistent with their circumstances. None of them has any political reason to agree for the sake of agreement so perhaps it’s actually easier, and more consistent with the evidence, to accept that hindsight is a wonderful thing and leave it at that.
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08-01-2021, 18:30
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Chris
Christmas restrictions were loosened on the basis of the data at the time. It was tightened up again as the threat of the variant strain came into view. All 4 UK nations agreed and acted similarly in this regard, with local variations consistent with their circumstances. None of them has any political reason to agree for the sake of agreement so perhaps it’s actually easier, and more consistent with the evidence, to accept that hindsight is a wonderful thing and leave it at that.
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It was a stupid idea (by all 4 nations) to relax restrictions at the time and its had a cost now. Not worth it. Its not hindsight, it was bleeding obvious.
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08-01-2021, 18:34
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Mr K
It was a stupid idea (by all 4 nations) to relax restrictions at the time and its had a cost now. Not worth it. Its not hindsight, it was bleeding obvious.
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What was also bleeding obvious was that people were going to ignore rules in significant numbers in any case, and the governments faced the unsavoury prospect of criminalising a lot of people for celebrating Christmas. The compromises were carefully constructed and reasonable at the time. Though if something was bleeding obvious to you that seems to have escaped so many others, your talents are clearly wasted posting self-congratulatory messages on the internet. You should run for office and show them all a thing or two.
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08-01-2021, 18:39
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Re: Coronavirus
Worth noting that the increase in figures, for cases and deaths, was already baked in from events before 25th December.
Schools being kept open at all costs when they are clearly driving infections has far more to answer than the single day of some household mixing.
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08-01-2021, 18:48
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Re: Coronavirus
Put the vaccine in the beer and open the pubs. Jobs a good'n.
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08-01-2021, 19:19
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Re: Coronavirus
Good to see that we're now requesting negative Covid 19 results before accepting travellers into the UK. Can't understand why we delayed on this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55582116
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08-01-2021, 21:20
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
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The belief was that the risk of false negatives creating a false sense of security was too high. In theory, arrivals self-isolating is foolproof because it catches everyone. In practice we now know people are selfish gits who won’t do what they’re told.
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08-01-2021, 21:26
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Chris
What was also bleeding obvious was that people were going to ignore rules in significant numbers in any case, and the governments faced the unsavoury prospect of criminalising a lot of people for celebrating Christmas. The compromises were carefully constructed and reasonable at the time. Though if something was bleeding obvious to you that seems to have escaped so many others, your talents are clearly wasted posting self-congratulatory messages on the internet. You should run for office and show them all a thing or two.
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
If only we were, tonight I've been to Tottenham, Kings Cross, Swiss Cottage, Shepards Bush, Camberwell and will be going to Wapping, the amount of people out in all those places was disgusting especially the first two, was like nothing was going on and it was a normal day, we will never get out of lockdown at this rate and all the hard work and sacrifices people like you have made will be for nothing.
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What was bleeding obvious was that none of us should have bothered because of selfish pricks and I don't believe the compromise was reasonable, it was irresponsible, if they had to give any advice it should have been don't do it or people will die but because bozo couldn't face upsetting people or leading the party that cancelled Christmas 1 in 20 Londoners now have it
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Originally Posted by Chris
The belief was that the risk of false negatives creating a false sense of security was too high. In theory, arrivals self-isolating is foolproof because it catches everyone. In practice we now know people are selfish gits who won’t do what they’re told.
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08-01-2021, 21:35
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Chris
The belief was that the risk of false negatives creating a false sense of security was too high. In theory, arrivals self-isolating is foolproof because it catches everyone. In practice we now know people are selfish gits who won’t do what they’re told.
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I agree, but testing would be important for ‘air bridges’ where self isolating isn’t mandatory. I know there are very few now (none?).
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08-01-2021, 21:35
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Re: Coronavirus
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I don't believe the compromise was reasonable
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It was perfectly reasonable. No one was forced to do anything.
If you wanted to cower in the corner, thats fine, you were free to do so.
The rest of us had a good day, following reasonable rules.
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08-01-2021, 21:37
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Paul
It was perfectly reasonable. No one was forced to do anything.
If you wanted to cower in the corner, thats fine, you were free to do so.
The rest of us had a good day, following reasonable rules.
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Being a key worker I don't have the option of cowering in the corner and I'm glad you had a good day, let's hope no one died for it
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08-01-2021, 21:39
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Re: Coronavirus
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Being a key worker I don't have the option of cowering in the corner and I'm glad you had a good day, let's hope no one died for it
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Of course they didnt.
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08-01-2021, 21:58
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cf.mega poster
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Chris
The belief was that the risk of false negatives creating a false sense of security was too high. In theory, arrivals self-isolating is foolproof because it catches everyone. In practice we now know people are selfish gits who won’t do what they’re told.
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Self-isolation is all a bit weird. The person self-isolating still uses the same facilities and breathes the same air as the household they are staying with in communal areas. They could have no symptoms and pass it onto members of the household who then pass it onto vulnerable people. Hence, why I believe tests are a good idea.
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