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SelfProtection · 12-08-2008, 16:48

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Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

Sure they might have had a few tiny teething problems, but nothing of any substance at all. No-one has died, only one chap seems to have had PC problems. All pretty irrelevant stuff in the grand scheme of things. No data retained anywhere.

So the Dossier only had One name on it then?
What about all the others waiting for a test case who haven't been able to get PC Plod to take a Crime No .....!

12-08-2008, 16:48

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Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

You have to rely on BT not to tap your phone, your neighbours not to peek through your bedroom window and Thames Water not to add poison to your water. They all COULD do this, but realise it is not a sensible thing to do.

"BT is obliged by the terms of its Oftel licence to provide phone taps for the secret services or police if a warrant has been obtained from the Home Secretary or Foreign Secretary." - Capenhurst Tower

"A rapist who admitted spying on his neighbours by using a camera hidden in their bedroom has been sent to prison for an indefinite period." - BBC News

"Since 2003 Thames Water has notched up more fines than any other water company - Ã‚Â£489,000 for 31 offences." - Times Online

Julian Smart · 12-08-2008, 16:50

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Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

Sure they might have had a few tiny teething problems, but nothing of any substance at all. No-one has died, only one chap seems to have had PC problems. All pretty irrelevant stuff in the grand scheme of things. No data retained anywhere.

Ah right, now we know your ethical stance - someone has to die before any of this matters to you. Sticking your head in the sand may work for you, but I guess other people find engaging with the issues and employing one or two brain cells more satisfying. Fortunately for the future of ISP users in the UK.

HamsterWheel · 12-08-2008, 16:54

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Originally Posted by Julian Smart

Ah right, now we know your ethical stance - someone has to die before any of this matters to you. Sticking your head in the sand may work for you, but I guess other people find engaging with the issues and employing one or two brain cells more satisfying. Fortunately for the future of ISP users in the UK.

No, what I'm saying is that no harm has been done in the tests.
Tests necessary to make sure that what is ACTUALLY rolled out is robust and complies with whatever is thought necessary. I think it will be.

philj · 12-08-2008, 17:02

hamster wheel ... round in circles ?

dont rise to the bait.

phil

SelfProtection · 12-08-2008, 17:05

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Originally Posted by philj

hamster wheel ... round in circles ?

dont rise to the bait.

phil

Sometimes you need to keep someone occupied so they don't see what's happening elsewhere....

Others can do the same though.

12-08-2008, 17:09

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Originally Posted by SelfProtection

Sometimes you need to keep someone occupied so they don't see what's happening elsewhere....

Others can do the same though.

Good entertainment value as well

philj · 12-08-2008, 17:10

Spoken personally to another 4 firms today and left the flyers
seemingly good response from them no one threw me out and they all listened

Phil

madslug · 12-08-2008, 17:11

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Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

No, what I'm saying is that no harm has been done in the tests.
Tests necessary to make sure that what is ACTUALLY rolled out is robust and complies with whatever is thought necessary. I think it will be.

History will record that Phorm is the only company to have had hundreds of very intelligent people reviewing and testing its 'system' to breaking point without taking any financial reward for themselves.
All parties who have benefited from this testing should be very grateful for the financial savings it has offered and that it has helped to preserve their personal freedom.

Despite all this assistance, the system has not yet begun to work on a method whereby websites can give permission for interception under RIPA nor have they provided any budget nor agreement for the licence fees due on the copies made of the web content which are used to create the profile.

After 2 years no one has yet seen the opt-in method for the ISP customers. How many years will it take to write the opt-in method for websites?

HamsterWheel · 12-08-2008, 17:17

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Originally Posted by madslug

All parties who have benefited from this testing should be very grateful for the financial savings it has offered

As a Phorm shareholder, I am very grateful for all your unpaid work

vicz · 12-08-2008, 17:22

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Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

As a Phorm shareholder,....

Ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha haha ha ha ha

warescouse · 12-08-2008, 17:25

Why are we spinning the wheel? I'm bored. Every time bad news needs burying the Phorm PR dilutes the content with same old same old. If we respond we dilute also IMHO.

Bonglet · 12-08-2008, 17:25

At the end of the day its still intercepting private data no-one is allowed to do that and shouldnt ever unless that person is a danger to other people or is likeley to commit crime then such interceptions in anyones eyes are valid and relevant steps are taken to monitor those individuals.

Phorm's ideas from the outset have always been illegal it is wiretapping plain and simple, which phorm/nebuad e.t.c know full well what it is but are trying to polish the illegal activity up and tie a few Ã‚Â£Ã‚Â£Ã‚Â£ to it to make it attractive to isp's, if phorm ever ever get the goahead to roll this illegal activity out how many people do the isp's expect to have left?.

very very soon the uk media will have to take this whole thing very seriously then we'll see how good of an idea setting wiretaps up in the isp in the sake of advertising is

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And as for mr wheel's comments that only 1 person was harmed i belive i was harmed and the dodgy phorm kit caused problems with my hardware and im on virgin media so explain that one then because virgin media sure as hell havent to me yet.

Florence · 12-08-2008, 17:30

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Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

No, back in the real world all they've done is test a bit of new software.

This should nopt have been tested on customers without informing them that BT would be doing tests.

The fact T told a customer who noticed he had spyware on takes the trust out for BT. The fact BT have stopped talking to customers doesn't help.

You test new software not at the expense of customers, when a customer ends up buying new equipment then BT has place a finacial loss on a customer due to their covert, stealth, economy of the truth.

12-08-2008, 17:31

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Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

No, what I'm saying is that no harm has been done in the tests.

Except for a big dent in BT's reputation, Phorm losing millions off their share value, the ICO and the UK government being forced to explain their actions to the EU Commissioner and the shareholders who have lost a fortune, BT staff being forced to lie to customers...

...wait a minute - none of that would have happened if we hadn't discovered the secret trials.

That means it's all our fault. Oops.