UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal - Page 104

1andrew1 · 21-10-2019, 22:15

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Originally Posted by jfman

It’s a total joke they’re trying to put this through in so little time and reduced scrutiny.

Fortunately, the UK's checks and balances have been effective to date.

jfman · 21-10-2019, 22:21

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Fortunately, the UK's checks and balances have been effective to date.

I’m just pulling everyone’s leg. Parliament is sovereign I’m sure it’ll do something.

Pierre · 21-10-2019, 22:45

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Originally Posted by jfman

It’s all mud slinging because they know Boris is going to get brought down by the pole dancer.

That sounds quite pleasurable!

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

That story is BS. And you know that most of the UK media is in favour of Leave

Not sure how you come to that conclusion!

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I’m just pulling everyone’s leg. Parliament is sovereign I’m sure it’ll do something.

Of course it will, it’s proven itself to be no better than a tinpot dictatorship, i’m Expecting troops on the streets by the weekend.

1andrew1 · 21-10-2019, 22:49

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Not sure how you come to that conclusion!

Which conclusion?

Pierre · 21-10-2019, 23:27

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Which conclusion?

That the U.K. media is Leave biased. I would argue the opposite.

1andrew1 · 21-10-2019, 23:36

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Originally Posted by Pierre

That the U.K. media is Leave biased. I would argue the opposite.

The best-selling broadsheet (Telegraph), best-selling tabloid, (The Sun) and most popular news website (dailymail.co.uk) and the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation suggest otherwise.

denphone · 22-10-2019, 05:26

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Originally Posted by jfman

It’s a total joke they’re trying to put this through in so little time and reduced scrutiny.

Would one do that if one was going to buy a house or business...

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The best-selling broadsheet (Telegraph), best-selling tabloid, (The Sun) and most popular news website (dailymail.co.uk) and the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation suggest otherwise.

All those are leave biased and you can add to that The Daily Express whilst there are two remain papers which are The Guardian and the red top tabloid The Daily Mirror while the other broadsheets The Times and the FT are on neither side.

Despite to the contrary of what some think the BBC is on neither side and is only doing its job.

**Maggy** · 22-10-2019, 08:32

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Originally Posted by Pierre

That the U.K. media is Leave biased. I would argue the opposite.

So which media are you reading?

mrmistoffelees · 22-10-2019, 08:37

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Touché, I was referring to your posts

I’m not Making any claims about the WA, as you are correct I haven’t read it, and can’t be arsed to either. But neither have you read it but seem to be passing yourself off as some kind of expert on it.

There's enough evidence presented by multiple parts of the media outlets who have had varying levels of access to form an opinion.

Funny how the pro Brexit papers have kept this part of the deal very quiet.

Unless of course you're suggesting that the media are lying?

I've not tried to try to pass myself of as any expert, merely someone who takes time to read and research BOTH sides of the argument. Feel sorry for you resorting to digs like that when you're intelligence is somewhat higher

jonbxx · 22-10-2019, 09:06

That is a good point, where do people on here go to find their news and other info? I can kick off;

News websites
BBC News
Sky News as a backup to compare with the BBC
Politics.co.uk

Newspaper websites
Independent and Guardian for a 'remainy' point of view
FT is good for analysis but paywalled
Daily Mail for a 'leave' point of view and to read the fury 'below the line'
Irish Independent, Deutsche Welle and Die Welt for an EU view

Twitter
Mainly sketch writers, namely Michael Deacon (Telegraph) Marina Hyde (Guardian) Tom Peck (Independent - funny but super biased)
Lewis Goodall, Sky News is good
David Allen Green has been useful for legal analysis recently
David Gauke is my MP

General fact checking
Full fact is great!
Reality Check on the BBC website is good too
UK Parliament Library
EU websites including EUDRALEX for getting EU Directives and Treaties
Trading Economics for financial figures

There are many more but those are my basic 'go to' sources of info

ianch99 · 22-10-2019, 11:39

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

That is a good point, where do people on here go to find their news and other info? I can kick off;

News websites
BBC News
Sky News as a backup to compare with the BBC
Politics.co.uk

Newspaper websites
Independent and Guardian for a 'remainy' point of view
FT is good for analysis but paywalled
Daily Mail for a 'leave' point of view and to read the fury 'below the line'
Irish Independent, Deutsche Welle and Die Welt for an EU view

Twitter
Mainly sketch writers, namely Michael Deacon (Telegraph) Marina Hyde (Guardian) Tom Peck (Independent - funny but super biased)
Lewis Goodall, Sky News is good
David Allen Green has been useful for legal analysis recently
David Gauke is my MP

General fact checking
Full fact is great!
Reality Check on the BBC website is good too
UK Parliament Library
EU websites including EUDRALEX for getting EU Directives and Treaties
Trading Economics for financial figures

There are many more but those are my basic 'go to' sources of info

Excellent list! I agree with with most of these. I would add some others:

Listening to Nick Ferrari for a honest Leave perspective and Maajid Nawaz for good analysis of both sides of arguments on LBC radio.

Google & Apple news aggregators are good for presenting headlines/views of the same event side by side.

I would also recommend visiting Europe itself and talking to people to get a view from outside our Brexit bubble.

nomadking · 22-10-2019, 13:06

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Firms in Northern Ireland will have to submit declaration forms for goods heading to the rest of the UK, under the government's Brexit deal.
Brexit Secretary Steve Barclay was forced to make the admission after initially denying it was the case.
This followed previous assurances that Northern Ireland-GB trade would be "unfettered".
DUP MP Sammy Wilson said it represented a "clear breach" of previous commitments made by the government.
Meanwhile, a government risk assessment has warned the new Brexit deal could mean a reduction in business investment, consumer spending and trade in Northern Ireland.

And that's an example of why full and proper scrutiny should apply each and every bill, eg the Benn bill. Not cobbled together in private with hidden agendas. Will EU companies have to do the same when shipping goods to NI from Ireland, or is it yet another in the very long list of one-sided arrangements.

**Hugh** · 22-10-2019, 13:42

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And that's an example of why full and proper scrutiny should apply each and every bill, eg the Benn bill. Not cobbled together in private with hidden agendas. Will EU companies have to do the same when shipping goods to NI from Ireland, or is it yet another in the very long list of one-sided arrangements.

Does that also include the current 100+ page WAB that the government wants reviewed, debated, amended, and passed in three days?

nomadking · 22-10-2019, 14:29

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Does that also include the current 100+ page WAB that the government wants reviewed, debated, amended, and passed in three days?

Does the term "each and every" have any other meaning?

jfman · 22-10-2019, 14:41

Parliament will vote for the programme motion, b------ise the deal so it's gets voted down, then vote of no confidence their way to a GE. Why do things the quick way?