Election 2019 - Week 2

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

They haven't got a very good record to defend. Relying on apathy, and fear of Labour is their only tactic.

However the status quo isn't always the safest option, particularly if you are ill...
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ving-medicines
Oops !

Not surprised with the possible shortage of certain medications as l have been hearing about this for a while through various sources.

Wasn't “medication shortages” a typical scare tactic by Remainers last time?

It doesn’t work. Non of this misinformation, which is what it is, “sources said this, “sources say that”, it’s bollocks. I work in healthcare sector and there is no issue of medication shortages, sure medications run out of stock in pharmaceutical outlets, but that is a supply and demand issue.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Wasn't “medication shortages” a typical scare tactic by Remainers last time?

It doesn’t work. Non of this misinformation, which is what it is, “sources said this, “sources say that”, it’s bollocks. I work in healthcare sector and there is no issue of medication shortages, sure medications run out of stock in pharmaceutical outlets, but that is a supply and demand issue.

And hospital waiting times and performance, the worst on record? Not project fear, it's what's happening now, after 10 years of this Govt. It won't get better if we're silly enough to re-elect them. The cabinet of millionaires goes nowhere near the NHS. It's for the plebs after all.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50397856

Hospital performance in England is at its worst level on record, data shows.

Key targets for cancer, hospital care and A&E have been missed for over three years - with delays for hospital care and in A&E hitting their highest levels since both targets were introduced.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mick

Wasn't “medication shortages” a typical scare tactic by Remainers last time?

It doesn’t work. Non of this misinformation, which is what it is, “sources said this, “sources say that”, it’s bollocks. I work in healthcare sector and there is no issue of medication shortages, sure medications run out of stock in pharmaceutical outlets, but that is a supply and demand issue.

l am not worried whether it was a scare tactic by the Remainers Mick as l don't care two hoots about that as there are shortages in certain medications that is quite clear unless you think people have a habit of making things up which of course given your agenda seems to be all the time....

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Originally Posted by Mr K

And hospital waiting times and performance, the worst on record? Not project fear, it's what's happening now, after 10 years of this Govt. It won't get better if we're silly enough to re-elect them. The cabinet of millionaires goes nowhere near the NHS. It's for the plebs after all.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50397856

No doubt that will be classed as a "Remainer scare tactic as well"....

Originally Posted by Mr K

And hospital waiting times and performance, the worst on record? Not project fear, it's what's happening now, after 10 years of this Govt. It won't get better if we're silly enough to re-elect them. The cabinet of millionaires goes nowhere near the NHS. It's for the plebs after all.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50397856

Corbyn is a millionaire yet you’re here defending him all the time. Yawn yawn yawn. Pathetic. It won’t stop me choosing to vote Conservatives.

P.S. And waiting times soared under Labour.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Corbyn is a millionaire yet you’re here defending him all the time. Yawn yawn yawn. Pathetic. It won’t stop me choosing to vote Conservatives.

P.S. And waiting times soared under Labour.

Surprising ! Given up on Farage and Brexit then?

Originally Posted by Mr K

Surprising ! Given up on Farage and Brexit then?

You know my stance on wanting to leave the corrupted EU. But, frankly-None of your business on my reasonings & voting intentions. Actually.

[Carth]

Seems pretty obvious to me, as a thicko, that the advances made in earlier detection of illnesses would lead to a shortage of the means to treat them . . i.e. drugs and beds.

Take diabetes and heart/cardo vascular problems as an example, they've been on the rise for years.

oh, and that's in the under 65's so an aging population argument doesn't wash

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

Blaming the little guy as always. It’s quite unbecoming.

It was in the documentary. The brokers on the ground were falsifying income details in order that the sub-prime mortgages were approved and they earned their commission. It was shown again on Mon Oct 28th at 10pm on BBC4. The higher ups may have then gone on to falsify other things, but that was to hide the losses the ground level staff had created.

Link to iPlayer episode.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

It was in the documentary. The brokers on the ground were falsifying income details in order that the sub-prime mortgages were approved and they earned their commission. It was shown again on Mon Oct 28th at 10pm on BBC4. The higher ups may have then gone on to falsify other things, but that was to hide the losses the ground level staff had created.

Link to iPlayer episode.

I've seen many a documentary peddling the obvious lines of the state and the neo-liberal elite.

The purposes of these are to keep you compliant, not to inform you. It's evidently working!

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mr K

They haven't got a very good record to defend. Relying on apathy, and fear of Labour is their only tactic.

However the status quo isn't always the safest option, particularly if you are ill...
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ving-medicines
Oops !

And the UK is the only EU country with medicine shortages?

List of links by EU country.
Ireland(because it's in English).
As the Ireland list says repeatedly, "(multiple countries affected)". Appears to be a list of 180 drugs with a shortage. (did a text search in the page for "date of shortage", it appears 181 times, subtract one for the table header).

Did a similar type of check for France. It appears to have around 170 on their list. ("med.gif" appears 174 times in page source).

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Originally Posted by jfman

I've seen many a documentary peddling the obvious lines of the state and the neo-liberal elite.

The purposes of these are to keep you compliant, not to inform you. It's evidently working!

It had interviews with various people "on the ground", including those whose job it was to sign off on the income claims and the discrepancies they found. Who else had direct everyday involvement in selling dodgy sub-prime mortgages?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

And the UK is the only EU country with medicine shortages?

List of links by EU country.
Ireland(because it's in English).
As the Ireland list says repeatedly, "(multiple countries affected)". Appears to be a list of 180 drugs with a shortage. (did a text search in the page for "date of shortage", it appears 181 times, subtract one for the table header).

Did a similar type of check for France. It appears to have around 170 on their list. ("med.gif" appears 174 times in page source).

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It had interviews with various people "on the ground", including those whose job it was to sign off on the income claims and the discrepancies they found.

And those people are complicit in peddling the myth. You’re really struggling with the concept of misinformation here.

Originally Posted by Mick

Corbyn is a millionaire yet you’re here defending him all the time. Yawn yawn yawn. Pathetic. It won’t stop me choosing to vote Conservatives.

P.S. And waiting times soared under Labour.

He’s only a millionaire if you take into account his pension fund (he has been an MP for 36 years), and his house (which he has lived in for over 35 years, and terraced house prices in Islington have increased 10 fold in the last 25 years).

Your basically knocking someone for being in the same job and house for over 30 years, and circumstances beyond his control inflating the value of his house and pension.

My house value, savings, and various pension funds add up to just over a million pounds, but strangely enough, I don’t feel like a millionaire...

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

And those people are complicit in peddling the myth. You’re really struggling with the concept of misinformation here.

So was the top guy the one filling out the bogus income forms? Must have been incredibly busy.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

So was the top guy the one filling out the bogus income forms? Must have been incredibly busy.

You've moved from one ridiculous extreme to another as opposed to the much more likely reality that it's a reflection of a culture throughout the organisation. People at the top giving instructions, targets, etc to those in the middle who in turn pass those down the food chain.