Election 2019, Week 1

Originally Posted by pip08456

Good to know you can still google for graphs that contradict your first one.

You appear to be confusing clarification with contradiction - the second graph showed more detail (numbers as well as chart), whilst the first one only showed a chart with two years that looked similar.

Just like you confused "consistently" with "mostly"...

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Don't remind me of that my bum still hurts.

my friend who was a company director lost just over £1,000,000.

Lost or did not gain?

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Originally Posted by Anonymouse

The size of the Referendum majority was and is irrelevant. It was a majority vote. They should therefore abide by it. End of.

Let me ask you this question: you say that size of the majority was irrelevant, if the majority was a single person which was possible & allowable under the rules in place, is this then the "will of the people"?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Lost or did not gain?

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Let me ask you this question: you say that size of the majority was irrelevant, if the majority was a single person which was possible & allowable under the rules in place, is this then the "will of the people"?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by jfman

Will the Jeremy Corbyn is a terrorist, anti-Semite who hates big business message resonate though? They threw the kitchen sink at this in 2017 and the numbers just went up and up.

As bad as May was the Labour Party had an anti-austerity message that was getting through on the doorsteps.

Although you are right Boris does have the “I have a deal” message, but will the deal hold up with Farage saying it’s not Brexit?

Interesting times ahead I think.

Yes indeed. Corbyn is already starting to gain in the polling. The message that you cannot trust the Tories is a real one esp. being led by the most untrustworthy PM is modern times.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

?

A vacant reply .. appropriate I suppose ..

Originally Posted by ianch99

Lost or did not gain?

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Let me ask you this question: you say that size of the majority was irrelevant, if the majority was a single person which was possible & allowable under the rules in place, is this then the "will of the people"?

Democracy is the worst system, apart from all the others. Etc etc etc.

Yes, in a vote that is held with a binary question requiring a simple majority outcome, a win by 1 vote is the “will of the people” because that was the means by which the people agreed their will should be determined.

It really is quite a straightforward concept.

To keep this relevant to the election debate (ie not the Brexit referendum), we even had a referendum on alternative votes in parliamentary constituencies. It failed.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Let me ask you this question: you say that size of the majority was irrelevant, if the majority was a single person which was possible & allowable under the rules in place, is this then the "will of the people"?

A majority of 1 is still a majority. An MP can be elected even where he/she wins with just one vote.

If remain had won, you would be saying exactly the same.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I know what a deficit is, jfman. The point I'm making is that the difference between income and expenditure was in seriously negative figures and that money had to be made up.

You evidently do not know or else you'd have got the terminology right. Despite all the cuts to date, and masses of privatisation over the recent decades, it'll still a deficit.

Essentially, you want to eliminate the role of the state to privatise as much as possible so profits can be siphoned offshore. At least be honest about your Ideology and not pretend it is anyone's interest.

[Carth]

I thought most profits were 'siphoned offshore' anyway, considering the amount of things that are foreign owned

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Chris

Democracy is the worst system, apart from all the others. Etc etc etc.

Yes, in a vote that is held with a binary question requiring a simple majority outcome, a win by 1 vote is the “will of the people” because that was the means by which the people agreed their will should be determined.

It really is quite a straightforward concept.

To keep this relevant to the election debate (ie not the Brexit referendum), we even had a referendum on alternative votes in parliamentary constituencies. It failed.

Thank you for proving my point. The whole basis of the 2016 vote was an immoral one: the socio-economic fate of an entire country possibly decided by 1 person.

Your other point also is flawed as you well know. The PR option in this referendum was deliberately chosen as the worse available:

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/2011_Uni...ote_referendum

The decisive No vote continues to be cited as an endorsement of first-past-the-post and a rejection of proportional representation. The Conservative government response to a 2016–17 parliamentary petition demanding proportional representation said that "A referendum on changing the voting system was held in 2011 and the public voted overwhelmingly in favour of keeping the FPTP system." Tim Ivorson of the electoral reform campaign Make Votes Matter responded by quoting the petition's text that "The UK has never had a say on PR. As David Cameron himself said, the AV Referendum was on a system that is often less proportional than FPTP, so the rejection of AV could not possibly be a rejection of PR.

At the time of the referendum, three nations used AV for parliamentary elections: Australia, Papua New Guinea, and Fiji.

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Originally Posted by Carth

I thought most profits were 'siphoned offshore' anyway, considering the amount of things that are foreign owned

And you agree with this?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Carth

I thought most profits were 'siphoned offshore' anyway, considering the amount of things that are foreign owned

Arguably that's true. Everyone talks about capital flight if Corbyn comes in, but really - those with the facility to aggressively avoid taxes is likely doing it anyway.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Carth

I thought most profits were 'siphoned offshore' anyway, considering the amount of things that are foreign owned

Originally Posted by ianch99

And you agree with this?

Not really, same as I don't agree with foreign workers here earning £400 a week and sending half of it back home, it isn't helping the UK economy.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Carth

Not really, same as I don't agree with foreign workers here earning £400 a week and sending half of it back home, it isn't helping the UK economy.

If they are working in a public service e.g. the NHS, it certainly is helping us. What they do with their money is up to them, they might have left dependents behind.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

What they do with their money is up to them,

Well . . in that case, a billionaire sending his money to the Caymens must be ok then

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Carth

Well . . in that case, a billionaire sending his money to the Caymens must be ok then

I think you have answered your own question and also highlighted the hypocrisy of the right. Yes, if you are wealthy it is fine to avoid paying your fair share of taxes and hide it in offshore tax havens but if you are earning a modest wage, woe betide you if you choose what to do with your money.

[Carth]

I didn't have a question, I merely responded to Mr K saying people can do what they like with their own money.

I do believe the statement isn't as simple as it seems though