12-06-2021, 21:41
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Last time I was in NI I noticed they had the odd farm here and there, granted it was a few years ago but I doubt it's changed that much!
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If they produced enough i doubt they would transport it from the mother land
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12-06-2021, 22:25
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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If they produced enough i doubt they would transport it from the mother land
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https://www.ufuni.org/farming
There are thousands of local butchers, each making their own sausages. The imports from GB will be things like Cumberland sausages that presumably have to come from a specific region. The big supermarkets will also source produce from GB, such as chilled mince but there's really no need.
The argument is really over standards. GB food standards currently exceed EU requirements. The problem is that Bojo/Frostie refuse to commit to keeping things that way. A commitment to maintain standards would do away with 90% of the checks at a stroke.
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12-06-2021, 22:28
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth
Last time I was in NI I noticed they had the odd farm here and there, granted it was a few years ago but I doubt it's changed that much!
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Ni has plenty of sausage producers as my breakfast earlier in 2020 testified. Here's one example: https://www.mccartneysofmoira.com/butchery-sausages/
Another, Finnebrogue recently declared the best year ever.
EDIT: Btw, Moira sports one of the best Indian restaurants in the UK, imo - the Masala Hut. For reasons beyond me, curry night in Moira is Tuesday - get there before 18:00 to get a table.
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12-06-2021, 23:12
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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An excellent and renowned butcher. I've dropped in many times when passing through.
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13-06-2021, 10:40
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
I think more likely than your scenario is that Johnson will continue unilaterally with the grace period. The EU will retaliate as they've threatened; Johnson might invoke Article 16 but that will only prolong the agony. It is possible that the EU/UK agreements will fall through entirely. leaving the EU with the hard birder problem.
I don't see the GFA collapsing; the only way that would collapse if sectarian violence takes hold and a military border becomes necessary. That will be the EU's fault.
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Let’s follow this logically
As per chris’s post we all know (yes, even us staunch remainers) that the EU is incredibly bureaucratic.
BUT
We accepted the deal that was offered by the EU because if we didn’t a hard border would have been created which would have broken the GFA agreement
If we break the agreement with the EU and a hard border is implemented that breaks the GFA that’s on the U.K. for failing to adhere not the EU
The EU have no legal requirement to move from their position and if they choose not to adjust then this is only resolved in one of two ways
1. The U.K. implements and obides by the treaty it agreed too (which it becomes
clearer by the day they didn’t have the full picture of what they were agreeing to)
2. The EU softens it’s stance (which is possible but unlikely as what message does that send to other non eu countries)
Any sort of border in Ireland highly increases the chances of a trade deal with the US not occurring
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13-06-2021, 10:48
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Let’s follow this logically
As per chris’s post we all know (yes, even us staunch remainers) that the EU is incredibly bureaucratic.
BUT
We accepted the deal that was offered by the EU because if we didn’t a hard border would have been created which would have broken the GFA agreement
If we break the agreement with the EU and a hard border is implemented that breaks the GFA that’s on the U.K. for failing to adhere not the EU
The EU have no legal requirement to move from their position and if they choose not to adjust then this is only resolved in one of two ways
1. The U.K. implements and obides by the treaty it agreed too (which it becomes
clearer by the day they didn’t have the full picture of what they were agreeing to)
2. The EU softens it’s stance (which is possible but unlikely as what message does that send to other non eu countries)
Any sort of border in Ireland highly increases the chances of a trade deal with the US not occurring
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Who exactly would erect this hard border?
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13-06-2021, 10:56
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Let’s follow this logically
As per chris’s post we all know (yes, even us staunch remainers) that the EU is incredibly bureaucratic.
BUT
We accepted the deal that was offered by the EU because if we didn’t a hard border would have been created which would have broken the GFA agreement
If we break the agreement with the EU and a hard border is implemented that breaks the GFA that’s on the U.K. for failing to adhere not the EU
The EU have no legal requirement to move from their position and if they choose not to adjust then this is only resolved in one of two ways
1. The U.K. implements and obides by the treaty it agreed too (which it becomes
clearer by the day they didn’t have the full picture of what they were agreeing to)
2. The EU softens it’s stance (which is possible but unlikely as what message does that send to other non eu countries)
Any sort of border in Ireland highly increases the chances of a trade deal with the US not occurring
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No. 3 must be per paddy1's post - the UK commits to maintain veterinary standards and the EU grants us equivalence.
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13-06-2021, 11:05
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Who exactly would erect this hard border?
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That. ^^
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13-06-2021, 11:23
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
That. ^^
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who erects the border is insignificant compared to why the border was erected.
If both of you think that if the U.K government ignores/withdraws from the treaty and the EU then erect a border that the U.K. won’t be held accountable then you need to think again.
The country was sold a a pig in a poke by the government, yet brexiteers are desperate to blame someone or somebody else for the U.K. governments failings
Whatever happened to oven ready?
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No. 3 must be per paddy1's post - the UK commits to maintain veterinary standards and the EU grants us equivalence.
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That would fall under option 2. But then how does that play out with other non EU countries ?
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13-06-2021, 11:40
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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That would fall under option 2. But then how does that play out with other non EU countries ?
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I'm not knowledgeable enough in this area to know authoritatively if it would be an issue for the EU and other non-EU countries or not. But the uniqueness of the situation is probably sufficient not to set a precedent. After all, although we talk about being in the European Single Market, for things like medicines it is following UK rules; the EU is not insisting that medicines sold in NI have be approved by the European Medicines Agency.
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13-06-2021, 11:44
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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who erects the border is insignificant compared to why the border was erected.
If both of you think that if the U.K government ignores/withdraws from the treaty and the EU then erect a border that the U.K. won’t be held accountable then you need to think again.
The country was sold a a pig in a poke by the government, yet brexiteers are desperate to blame someone or somebody else for the U.K. governments failings
Whatever happened to oven ready?
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That would fall under option 2. But then how does that play out with other non EU countries ?
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You could go out there and plant a row of sour grape vines along the border, it might help you with getting over losing the referendum
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13-06-2021, 11:49
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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You could go out there and plant a row of sour grape vines along the border, it might help you with getting over losing the referendum
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Wanting to hold the government accountable for its actions isn’t sour grapes
Those vines may be best gifted to Sephi and his perceived EU ‘nastiness’
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13-06-2021, 11:54
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
who erects the border is insignificant compared to why the border was erected.
If both of you think that if the U.K government ignores/withdraws from the treaty and the EU then erect a border that the U.K. won’t be held accountable then you need to think again.
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Presumably the UK or EU erecting a wall in NI would be the final remedy. I'm sure the EU scale of escalation is:
- Diplomatic pressure including getting the US on board
- Economic pressure - putting the pressure on big investors like Siemens and AkzoNoble to warn the UK that their investment is threatened by possible sanctions
- Targeted sanctions on British goods and services, introduction of visas etc.
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13-06-2021, 11:56
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Presumably the UK or EU erecting a wall in NI would be the final remedy. I'm sure the EU scale of escalation is:
- Diplomatic pressure including getting the US on board
- Economic pressure - putting the pressure on big investors like Siemens and AkzoNoble to warn the UK that their investment is threatened by possible sanctions
- Targeted sanctions on British goods and services, introduction of visas etc.
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Agreed, it would be last resort.
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13-06-2021, 11:59
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Re: Britain outside the EU
I don't believe that the UK is wanting to pull out of the Protocol, we are just asking for some common sense on its interpretation.
If this is the kind of inflexibility we can expect from the EU, maybe we should think seriously whether this deal with the EU is actually worth it. Many of us saw this coming but we hoped that the EU would demonstrate some intelligence in dealing with the practical issues arising from the new arrangements.
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