UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[nomadking]

Unless the EU finally relents on their specific unreasonable demands, there's nothing further to discuss. Have the EU indicated they have done that? Doesn't appear so.

[tweetiepooh]

One problem the EU has is that the French farmers/fishermen are a lot more "revolutionary" than ours are.

It is much rarer to see UK farmers dressing Whitehall in manure or dumping unsold fish on The Strand than in France.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

One problem the EU has is that the French farmers/fishermen are a lot more "revolutionary" than ours are.

It is much rarer to see UK farmers dressing Whitehall in manure or dumping unsold fish on The Strand than in France.

The concerns of French fishermen can easily be assuaged by means other than by the EU having total control and unfettered access. The matter isn't about whether or not, the French have access, but on whose terms.

The UK will be setting quotas for UK waters, so it's possible the EU could ask for a minimum percentage of that. Simple way of allowing EU fishing boats, but under UK control. Why haven't the EU asked for that sort of arrangement? Other than to not act in "good faith" and block any further deal?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The concerns of French fishermen can easily be assuaged by means other than by the EU having total control and unfettered access.

Retraining into other industries?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

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Retraining into other industries?

Making Nissans and Vauxhalls for when they become unviable to be made in the UK?

[tweetiepooh]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The concerns of French fishermen can easily be assuaged by means other than by the EU having total control and unfettered access.

It's not how to address the concerns but how to clean the fish guts of the pavement.

Of course there are solutions to all these little issues. Maybe we need to get the politicos out of the way and let farmers and others work something out. (I say farmers especially because while you can mothball factories or move production you can't do that with a farm, especially making region category products.)

Farmer have stuff grown and need to sell it now, we don't tax food so that should be easy on our end, and our farmers have the same. If we have excess of something that another country finds themselves in need of just move it. What we really need is to agree standards that need to be met or exceeded and just continue.

I have a much simpler view than reality but I have farming on all sides of my families and farmers are much more pragmatic - you do what needs doing, when it needs doing.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

One problem the EU has is that the French farmers/fishermen are a lot more "revolutionary" than ours are.

It is much rarer to see UK farmers dressing Whitehall in manure or dumping unsold fish on The Strand than in France.

They're also pretty good at blockading our major EU trading port, Calais.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Making Nissans and Vauxhalls for when they become unviable to be made in the UK?

Where would they sell them?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

They're also pretty good at blockading our major EU trading port, Calais.

Lowering the intellectual tone somewhat, who'd want to be in an EU with that lot? I do want to see the gunboats patrolling our waters on 01-January if there is no deal.

That perfidious Macron can also then face the music and we should start delivering some propaganda on this.

Sort of thing.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Lowering the intellectual tone somewhat, who'd want to be in an EU with that lot? I do want to see the gunboats patrolling our waters on 01-January if there is no deal.

That perfidious Macron can also then face the music and we should start delivering some propaganda on this.

Sort of thing.

Not even the architect of the Single Market (Lady Thatcher) or Macron have been able to alter geography or French farmers' and fishermen's minds.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Not even the architect of the Single Market (Lady Thatcher) or Macron have been able to alter geography or French farmers' and fishermen's minds.

.... and not even the great Margaret Thatcher could budge the EEC on their France biased CAP.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

.... and not even the great Margaret Thatcher could budge the EEC on their France biased CAP.

She understood the importance of pragmatism and on picking the right battles. In contrast to others who favoured whinging.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

.... and not even the great Margaret Thatcher could budge the EEC on their France biased CAP.

She won the 66% rebate. Just think of all the billions that has saved.
Link

In 2014, the rebate amounted to almost €6.1 billion, reducing the UK's national contribution by 35% – to €11.34 billion – leaving it the fourth largest national contribution.

Now add up that sort of figure going back 30 years.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

As an impartial observer it seems to me that your getting your knickers in a twist over nothing,it'll all get sorted without you huffing and puffing and telling people what they are thinking, relax chill out and enjoy the ride out of the EU's grasp.

<snigger> impartial observer <snigger>

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Lowering the intellectual tone somewhat, who'd want to be in an EU with that lot? I do want to see the gunboats patrolling our waters on 01-January if there is no deal.

That perfidious Macron can also then face the music and we should start delivering some propaganda on this.

Sort of thing.

Suddenly we are back in the 18th and 19th Century?