UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal - Page 243

1andrew1 · 09-09-2020, 08:42

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Originally Posted by Kushan

Non-legally binding referrendum: WE MUST ACCEPT THE RESULT AT ALL COSTS

Legally-binding agreement: Eh, no big deal.

The duplicity continues

I think you can get away with stuff like this in the short term. But it will always come back to bite you as Tony Blair found out.
We've got over 750 international agreements to make to replace those made via the EU. This situation will only slow these down.

Carth · 09-09-2020, 08:53

I'd like to be doing half as well as Tony Blair is after being 'found out'

1andrew1 · 09-09-2020, 09:01

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Originally Posted by Carth

I'd like to be doing half as well as Tony Blair is after being 'found out'

His busking income has gone downhill since Covid.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

It's usually just the biggest idiots,i'm surprised chris Grayling hasn't been elevated to godhood.

Controversially, he was not elected to chair the Intelligence Committee so there's some hope left.

1andrew1 · 09-09-2020, 11:43

If only BoJo had listened to Margaret Thatcher a bit more:

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This country does not not break treaties. It would be bad for Britain, bad for our relations with the rest of the world and bad for any future treaty on trade we may need to make.

https://twitter.com/damacan35/status...792331/photo/1

papa smurf · 09-09-2020, 11:58

Maybe he listened to bob dylan

Come gather 'round, people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth savin'
And you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'

Sephiroth · 09-09-2020, 12:25

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Maybe he listened to bob dylan

Come gather 'round, people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth savin'
And you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'

Brilliant.

Also from Bob Dylan:

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I ain't lookin' to compete with you
Beat or cheat or mistreat you
Simplify you, classify you
Deny, defy or crucify you
All I really want to do
Is, baby, be friends with you.

1andrew1 · 09-09-2020, 12:43

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Brilliant.

Also from Bob Dylan:

After yesterday's news, I think this is probably closer to the mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL8chWFuM-s

**Hugh** · 09-09-2020, 12:54

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Maybe he listened to bob dylan

Come gather 'round, people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth savin'
And you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'

Pretty sure Bob never signed (or threatened to break) International Law...

Carth · 09-09-2020, 13:00

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Pretty sure Bob never signed (or threatened to break) International Law...

Pretty sure I aint bothered as long as it gets me (us) a better Brexit by redefining the subtle nuances currently in place.

It's a little like all those legal tactics a while ago trying to block leaving by questioning the 'wording' of terms . . . I'm sure you remember

**Hugh** · 09-09-2020, 13:23

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Originally Posted by Carth

Pretty sure I aint bothered as long as it gets me (us) a better Brexit by redefining the subtle nuances currently in place.

It's a little like all those legal tactics a while ago trying to block leaving by questioning the 'wording' of terms . . . I'm sure you remember

Why should any country do a deal with us when we have shown we are willing to break a treaty?

Carth · 09-09-2020, 13:35

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Why should any country do a deal with us when we have shown we are willing to break a treaty?

No idea mate, I don't do negotiations. It does show we're not willing to accept a ~~shitty~~ now flawed part of a previous agreement though

Kushan · 09-09-2020, 13:55

Since we're just quoting random people to make a point, here's another one for you all:

Why would any country make a favourable deal with us when we prove we'll break the law to get out of it? Utterly weakens our position.

Sephiroth · 09-09-2020, 14:14

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Why should any country do a deal with us when we have shown we are willing to break a treaty?

You really do show your Remainer colours with remarks like that. (Others like you too saying much the same thing).

The other non-EU countries are not coming out in their droves to criticise the UK.

To answer your point which was put as a question: The UK will explain to other countrie what has necessitated the change that is need in managing the WA post-Brexit if there is no trade deal. Countries will understand the UK's position that it needs to maintain its sovereignty just as the other countries would want to.

You should be backing the Guvmin so that the UK does not remain subject to EU diktat.

1andrew1 · 09-09-2020, 14:24

Jo Public: What about the oven-ready Brexit deal? It's September and we're still faffing about fishing rights and fields of a level-playing variety.

BoJo Apologist: No, no, no! Don't be daft! The Brexit deal wasn't oven-ready, it was the Withdrawal Agreement which was oven-ready!

Jo Public: What kind of oven-ready Withdrawal Deal requires you to break international law?

BoJo apologist: Oops!

**Chris** · 09-09-2020, 14:37

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Jo Public: What about the oven-ready Brexit deal? It's September and we're still faffing about fishing rights and fields of a level-playing variety.

BoJo Apologist: No, no, no! Don't be daft! The Brexit deal wasn't oven-ready, it was the Withdrawal Agreement which was oven-ready!

Jo Public: What kind of oven-ready Withdrawal Deal requires you to break international law?

BoJo apologist: Oops!

Answer, one which isn’t followed up by a permanent treaty.

There is precedent for ‘treaty override’ in the U.K. and elsewhere. It happens from time to time. It should always be avoided if at all possible but sometimes it isn’t. Sometimes sovereign nation states have competing international obligations. Because they are sovereign, they are free to decide how to resolve that; sometimes that will involve breaching the terms of an international treaty.

“international law” is a term widely misused. There is no such thing as international law, there are only treaties. There is no criminal sanction for breaking “international law” because it isn’t criminal law, although this week the term is clearly being used by Remainers and opposition MPs mischievously to try to draw an equivalence.

Sometimes the consequences for breaching a treaty are spelled out within the treaty. Sometimes the consequences are hard to pin down - they may affect a country’s international standing or its ability to sign other treaties later on. The magnitude of the effect most likely matches the magnitude of the breach, and the country’s general international standing.

I suggest that in this case the actual consequences for the U.K., *if* these treaty-breaking clauses are ever activated, will be rather less than the fuss being made over them this week.