London's rising Murder Rate

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Originally Posted by nomadking

There is a common factor between the areas with high murder rates.

And those in power will not mention it at all, whilst the police tread softly so as not to upset them.

Originally Posted by nomadking

You could also say all that about every crime.

Main step is to make prisons hellish to be in.

Start locking up the girls that associate with the gangs. That would making being in a gang a lot less appealing for the guys.

New York doesn't even make it into the top 30 for murder rates in the US.

We are not allowed to address the real problem, here and in the US. There is a common factor between the areas with high murder rates.

Yes, you're right.

High rates of poverty, lack of education, and high levels of social deprivation.

Meanwhile, the facts show that London's murder rate has declined over the last decade, and has been steady recently.

People need to calm down. One statistic and suddenly we need to completely change our policing and take advice from a city which was consistently had a higher murder rate than us. All because of two months of data.

London is pretty safe. It's safer than New York which itself is not one of the most dangerous cities in America.

I have no idea where this glee and drama comes from in trying to make out that London is a dangerous city, it seems to come from American media a lot for some reason.

Here is a Sky News report which is less hysterical: https://news.sky.com/story/in-contex...-rate-11315585

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This is TONIGHT. Another one

I simple do not understand it. Is it gang culture, or is that some form of initiation ceremony with gangs that say, to be in our gang. You have to stab someone.

Something must be done to stop this. Increase stop and search. Put more police on the streets. recruit more officers.

I brought up my kids to respect each other. But now its becoming really sick

Might be gangs. Either way I think the problem has to be solved with measures that extend beyond policing. More police on the streets is a good idea and should happen but ultimately how effective can they be? There would still be vast areas of London in which they would not be present and take a bit of time to get too. I like the idea of more patrols on motorbikes/cars though.

As long as we are politically correct it will all sort itself out just a blip and lets not have any mention of anything but "London is safe, London is a great city" everyone knows it's a shining example of all things harmonious and happy.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

As long as we are politically correct it will all sort itself out just a blip and lets not have any mention of anything but "London is safe, London is a great city" everyone knows it's a shining example of all things harmonious and happy.

How is it being politically correct to point out that London is still a relatively safe city?

It's a call for perspective is all and not to come up with policy based on two months of data nor to pretend London or the country is a dangerous, hellish, place to live. New York, which isn't even one of the most dangerous cities in the US, has had a higher murder rate every year.

The police and government should always be looking to reduce crime and should be investigating this recent increase but the only people who are served by alarmist headlines are the media and politicians.

London is safe. London is a great city.

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A lot of the murders in the US are gun-related. If you remove gun use from the US figures, the London figure looks even worse. Either that or guns are not that responsible for murder in the US.

Originally Posted by nomadking

A lot of the murders in the US are gun-related. If you remove gun use from the US figures, the London figure looks even worse. Either that or guns are not that responsible for murder in the US.

A lot of murders in London are with knifes, if you take them out of the London figures then the London figure looks a lot better.

Acid attacks and stabbings rising each year and police being pressured to not make some violent offences official doesn't shout safe to me and in relation to certain sections of the public political correctness has prevented due attention and action being taken resulting in many ruined lives. The justice system in this country has degraded significantly in the last 25 years add in gutless politicians too scared to actually do anything of substance and the situation is going to continue to get worse.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Acid attacks and stabbings rising each year and police being pressured to not make some violent offences official doesn't shout safe to me and in relation to certain sections of the public political correctness has prevented due attention and action being taken resulting in many ruined lives. The justice system in this country has degraded significantly in the last 25 years add in gutless politicians too scared to actually do anything of substance and the situation is going to continue to get worse.

Crime is down over 25 years. We are getting better at dealing with the causes of such crimes. Whilst increases are concerning and need to be addressed they don't tell the whole story which is that over the long-term London is safer than it was decades ago.

Yes, failures to stop these crimes ruin lives. Crimes ruin lives. They were ruining them 10 years ago, 15 years ago, 20 years ago. What we have now is that the progress in reducing those crimes has halted but London still has fewer murders than it did 10 years ago and fewer than New York despite the headlines.

What needs to happen is specific types of crimes getting additional focus and to constantly review how we tackle crime. What does help is losing our minds at every uptick in the stats and every negative headlines and proclaiming everything is in decline. It simply is not. This constant state of despair helps no-one and just seems an excuse for people to vent.

Well according to you pretty much alls good in London, i live in a town on the midlands mainline about an hour by train to London and over the last five years quite a lot of Londoners have moved here and the two main reasons most of them give for moving here are cheaper property prices and feeling safer then they did in London. Personal safety seemed to be a big issue for a lot of them and they no longer felt happy living in London or with the police either though on that they will be just as disappointed here as well.

Panicking too much is a bad way to make decisions but so is understating the problem too much and we have had enough of that in recent years and the total inability to associate certain social criminal problems to certain sections of the population on an official level is also creating problems.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Well according to you pretty much alls good in London

No need to be passive aggressive? I said London is 1) safe 2) safer than before 3) a great city.

I didn't say it was without problems. The rise in crime is a concern, my point is that it's not evidence of a massive decline and that over time we're getting safer. House prices are a concern. Pollution is a concern.

i live in a town on the midlands mainline about an hour by train to London and over the last five years quite a lot of Londoners have moved here and the two main reasons most of them give for moving here are cheaper property prices and feeling safer then they did in London.

I don't know where you live but quite little towns tend to be safer than massive cities. London though is still safe.

Personal safety seemed to be a big issue for a lot of them and they no longer felt happy living in London or with the police either though on that they will be just as disappointed here as well.

Well ok, but most Londoners aren't talking around with a perpetual sense of foreboding. If you're walking though a dodgy area at night you might but that's true of anywhere.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Panicking too much is a bad way to make decisions but so is understating the problem too much and we have had enough of that in recent years and the total inability to associate certain social criminal problems to certain sections of the population on an official level is also creating problems.

We're pretty good at that. The collation between poverty and crime is well known and we try to stage interventions there as a society.

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Originally Posted by Damien

I didn't say it was without problems. The rise in crime is a concern, my point is that it's not evidence of a massive decline and that over time we're getting safer. House prices are a concern. Pollution is a concern.

Every place has its problems and concerns but there always seems to be a media hyperbole sadly these days.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Well ok, but most Londoners aren't talking around with a perpetual sense of foreboding. If you're walking though a dodgy area at night you might but that's true of anywhere.

Exactly the same down here as there are one or two areas where one would certainly not walk through at night.