30-12-2020, 16:47
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Re: Coronavirus
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and there is the honest answer for about 85% of the questions asked about Covid 19
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Pretty much. Luckily, us armchair health policy don’t have to live with our decisions. Most of the policies are based on partial knowledge, modelling, assumptions, previous experiences and yes, best guesses.
Doing nothing was never an option here so the government had to decide what policies to out in place based on what it did know so far. This tends to be very poorly communicated as the government never wants to be found to be wrong. As more information comes in and policies change, the communications are muddled to the point where the public gives up.
On top of this is the publics attitude to risk. There’s no ‘on/off’ switch for risky behaviour. For example, wearing masks reduces but does not eliminate risk. Social distancing reduces but does not eliminate risk. All the mitigating behaviours and barriers will help to a greater or lesser extent and, in some cases can all add up but this is often poorly explained. I saw a paper a while back giving estimates for how much each change reduces the R value for this disease. I think this could be communicated better but then maybe if we said that social distancing reduced R by 0.2 or something, maybe people wouldn’t bother.
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30-12-2020, 16:53
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Boris and the government ignoring the science again....
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Hardly.
JCVI issues advice on the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine.
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The JCVI advises that vaccinating more people with the first dose is prioritised above offering others their second dose, to maximise benefits from the vaccination programme in the short term.
For the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, the second vaccine dose can be offered between 3 to 12 weeks after the first dose. For the AstraZeneca vaccine, the second dose can be offered 4 to 12 weeks after the first dose.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/j...vid-19-vaccine
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30-12-2020, 16:59
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by pip08456
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I think the post you are quoting was referring to schools but happy to stand corrected if I’m wrong.
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30-12-2020, 17:04
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Mick
Sick of all this Tier 3 and 4 bullshit, Sage advisors for the government has explicitly stated that it needs something more stronger than Tier 4 to stop this new variant, so what does Bojo go do....?
.....Place millions more in Tier 4, just issue another lockdown NOW, that you're going to have to do in a weeks time anyway, close all schools and stop doing this delay crap and get it done.
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Exactly my sentiments too.
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30-12-2020, 17:19
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
Now now it must be the civil servants fault...
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Or, the populations.....
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Originally Posted by pip08456
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Apologies, I must have missed the part where SAGE indicated that moving more of the population to Tier 4 would be enough to suppress the virus.
If you could provide the relevant link showing the above ?
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30-12-2020, 17:21
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Re: Coronavirus
Prof Jonathan Van-Tam implying the NHS has not seen the impact of transmissions which will have occurred recently during households mixing over the festive period.
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30-12-2020, 17:32
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Mick
... just issue another lockdown NOW, that you're going to have to do in a weeks time anyway, close all schools and stop doing this delay crap and get it done.
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No Thanks.
T4 is basically lockdown anyway, and now we have to suffer it in the East Midlands again.
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30-12-2020, 17:36
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Re: Coronavirus
I can't see how they can't do a lockdown. Hospitals are overloaded more than last time and it's getting worse every day, it's this critical.
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30-12-2020, 17:39
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Paul
No Thanks.
T4 is basically lockdown anyway, and now we have to suffer it in the East Midlands again.
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Just for the record, I am tired of all lockdowns, but they are here to stay and at least until May 2021. If the variant is as bad as SAGE says it is, in terms of how contagious it is and a Tier 4 lockdown is not enough, then it obvious this is going to get worse and Boris is not doing what he is being advised to do so by the SAGE experts, it is another delay and he will be forced to enact yet another full national lockdown, when case numbers and deaths rise further.
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30-12-2020, 17:42
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Mick
Just for the record, I am tired of all lockdowns, but they are here to stay and at least until May 2021. If the variant is as bad as SAGE says it is, in terms of how contagious it is and a Tier 4 lockdown is not enough, then it obvious this is going to get worse and Boris is not doing what he is being advised to do so by the SAGE experts, it is another delay and he will be forced to enact yet another full national lockdown, when case numbers and deaths rise further.
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Not often we agree, but spot on.
The longer we delay implementing a ‘proper’ national lockdown the longer we will need to be in said ‘proper’ national lockdown.
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30-12-2020, 17:48
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Not often we agree, but spot on.
The longer we delay implementing a ‘proper’ national lockdown the longer we will need to be in said ‘proper’ national lockdown.
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l also agree with you and Mick over this as its quite obvious the worse is yet to come in these coming weeks and months.
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30-12-2020, 17:53
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Re: Coronavirus
Opening schools and Universities will just allow the new variant virus to rip through them. Madness.
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30-12-2020, 18:12
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Re: Coronavirus
Too many activities are being allowed, even in Tier 4. Too many people still insisting on attending large gatherings.
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Opening schools and Universities will just allow the new variant virus to rip through them. Madness.
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The Universities problem was more a product of the depraved way the students acted.
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30-12-2020, 18:22
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Re: Coronavirus
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The Universities problem was more a product of the depraved way the students acted.
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Depraved or just young people acting like we did at their age?
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30-12-2020, 18:24
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Re: Coronavirus
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Depraved or just young people acting like we did at their age?
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When Covid wasn't around.......
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