Brexit (Old)

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Then by default you are not on a zero hour contract but may have started on one. Check with you HR Dept.

You are the one who is saying you are on one not me.

Make up your mind, find out and post back if you want.

It says in it it's a zero hours contract, all of the dozens of others workers contracts do to but six of us have specific rotas where the hours don't change ever, therefore according to unite we aren't working to the terms of a zero hours contract, I am quite interested in opinions on it though tbh. Oh i started on a guaranteed 60 hour a week contract to all those years ago.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I'm pretty sure I've opted out of the working time directive and signed paperwork to confirm it, I realise it's tiresome but are you certain you're right about the other two?



I'm on a zero hours contract, have been with the same employer 11 years, do 63 hours a week and work to a Rota,.the contract won't stand up in court or tribunal should it ever come to that and there are plenty more like me in the same company on the same but we're all on them never the less



Or perhaps they don't live I the country, I'd suggest that's s reason not to take a temporary job rather than a lack of aptitude or work ethic, it's to simplistic to blame lazy young people and rhetoric I'm not keen on at all

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And the real challenge is when you shouldn't be on them at all

I quite clearly said there are valid reasons for not doing so, not living in the countryside isn’t one of them as from what I can gather the majority of workers are biased in from nearby towns or cities.

Nobody should turn down employment based solely on the fact they don’t want to do it. I’d hazard a guess that most of us have done crap jobs in our lives that we had rather not done but we did them because it was required.

There’s a significant amount of people who think they’re owed a living in this country and they’re going to need to step and do their part in areas such as unskilled manual labour and other areas such as the nhs because as you can see from my example in the post above we’re already short in certain areas and it’s likely to get worse

Today’s Times editorial

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...b1cb66bf062141

Yesterday’s publication of the US trade negotiating guidelines for a deal bears out Sir Ivan’s warning.

The guidelines make clear that one of its chief objectives will be to secure access for American agricultural products to British markets and to eliminate “practices that unfairly decrease US market access opportunities or distort agricultural markets to the detriment of the US”. That is a clear warning that the United States will insist on Britain agreeing to the import of chlorine-washed chicken and genetically modified crops, prohibited at present under EU rules.

The guidelines also want a mechanism to enable the American administration “to take appropriate action if the UK negotiates a free trade agreement with a non-market country”. This could make it impossible for Britain to agree a trade deal with China, for example. It wants access to Britain’s government procurement markets while maintaining federal “buy America” programmes and ruling out British access to US state procurement markets.

This was one of the issues that sank trade negotiations between the EU and Washington in 2015. The guidelines even appear to want a say over British economic policies to ensure that we don’t manipulate sterling to gain an unfair competitive advantage.

There have been other recent reminders of the difficulties that Britain will face. So far the government has been able to roll over only six out of 33 EU trade deals to ensure continuity in the event of a no-deal Brexit and admitted last week that the EU-Japan deal won’t be rolled over in time.

Japan is stalling because it expects to secure better terms than it extracted from the EU. Meanwhile, the UK’s efforts to get agreement for its independent tariff schedules at the World Trade Organisation are being held up by 19 countries, including our allies Australia, New Zealand and Canada. They are unhappy with the agricultural quotas they have been offered under a provisional deal.

The general rule of thumb in trade negotiations is that big, rich countries, such as America, China and Japan, extract more favourable terms when dealing with smaller nations. No one wants to be pessimistic about future trade deals, but it is wise to be realistic.

This is not “Project Fear", this is the reality 4 weeks before we leave the EU.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Today’s Times editorial

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...b1cb66bf062141

This is not “Project Fear", this is the reality 4 weeks before we leave the EU.

Facts won't make any difference Hugh. Brexit is a religious cult, pain and suffering are welcome.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I quite clearly said there are valid reasons for not doing so, not living in the countryside isn’t one of them as from what I can gather the majority of workers are biased in from nearby towns or cities.

Nobody should turn down employment based solely on the fact they don’t want to do it. I’d hazard a guess that most of us have done crap jobs in our lives that we had rather not done but we did them because it was required.

There’s a significant amount of people who think they’re owed a living in this country and they’re going to need to step and do their part in areas such as unskilled manual labour and other areas such as the nhs because as you can see from my example in the post above we’re already short in certain areas and it’s likely to get worse

For some people on here it's not a valid reason at all and we have pretty much full employment, in fact it's better than if it were at 100% apparently according to experts

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Today’s Times editorial

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...b1cb66bf062141





This is not “Project Fear", this is the reality 4 weeks before we leave the EU.

Hmm that doesn't sound like a great deal for us, great for them but not us, at least we'll be free, well free ish looking at that deal

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Today’s Times editorial

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...b1cb66bf062141





This is not “Project Fear", this is the reality 4 weeks before we leave the EU.

Ah but as we’re negotiating as a nation of 66 million as opposed to a block of 500 million we are of course going to get a great deal said no one with any sort of acumen, ever.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Ah but as we’re negotiating as a nation of 66 million as opposed to a block of 500 million we are of course going to get a great deal said no one with any sort of acumen, ever.

When we leave the EU, it won’t be a 500 million bloc any more. Also in economic terms, our 66 million has the buying power of at least 120 million (I haven’t done the actual analysis) of the poorer EU nations.

What we need is decent negotiators.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

When we leave the EU, it won’t be a 500 million bloc any more. Also in economic terms, our 66 million has the buying power of at least 120 million (I haven’t done the actual analysis) of the poorer EU nations.

What we need is decent negotiators.

Surely that means the remainder of the EU totals 380m with buying power equal to or greater than us? Obviously that figure includes us, 314m without.

Decent negotiators? We can’t even negotiate a few hundred million pounds worth of fishing rights without the ideology getting in the way.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Today’s Times editorial

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...b1cb66bf062141

This is not “Project Fear", this is the reality 4 weeks before we leave the EU.

We survived the Black Death. We can survive this.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What we need is decent negotiators.

Not sure it's an attractive role. Any negotiator we employed would get blamed for our not getting a cake-and-eat it deal as the clock and bargaining chips are not in our favour.
Or maybe the Brexiter MPs should step up and negotiate instead? But I think we've all seen what happens when Brexit MPs try and negotiate things. The latest example being Chris Grayling.

THE SUN SAYS Government needs to clear out the incompetent ministers like Chris Grayling who cost taxpayers BILLIONS
It is staggering to discover how Tory ministers have been wasting millions and there seems to be no consequences for their incompetence

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/854411...hilip-hammond/

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

When we leave the EU, it won’t be a 500 million bloc any more. Also in economic terms, our 66 million has the buying power of at least 120 million (I haven’t done the actual analysis) of the poorer EU nations.

GDP is important and that's an issue that some seem to forget, along with the proximity of the countries we are hoping to do trade deals with; the closer the better. But Not sure how the GDP argument helps in our current struggles to negotiate trade deals with the US (population 326m).

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

We survived the Black Death. We can survive this.

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Not sure it's an attractive role. Any negotiator we employed would get blamed for our not getting a cake-and-eat it deal as the clock and bargaining chips are not in our favour.
Or maybe the Brexiter MPs should step up and negotiate instead? But I think we've all seen what happens when Brexit MPs try and negotiate things. The latest example being Chris Grayling.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/854411...hilip-hammond/

That's the ticket,stiff upper lip and all that, if we don't leave i'm going to have to open a shop to offload all this canned food

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

Surely that means the remainder of the EU totals 380m with buying power equal to or greater than us? Obviously that figure includes us, 314m without.

Decent negotiators? We can’t even negotiate a few hundred million pounds worth of fishing rights without the ideology getting in the way.

My point is that some people are exaggerating the economic strength of the EU when set against ours. Disingenuousness in this debate is polarising and unhelpful.

314m is a come down from 500m.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

My point is that some people are exaggerating the economic strength of the EU when set against ours. Disingenuousness in this debate is polarising and unhelpful.

314m is a come down from 500m.

Still five times the size of us even if we use your calculation. Brexit has never made any economic sense. It's a romantic, xenophobic dream, which has turned into a nightmare.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

My point is that some people are exaggerating the economic strength of the EU when set against ours. Disingenuousness in this debate is polarising and unhelpful.

314m is a come down from 500m.

There’s no need to exaggerate the economic strength of the EU. Various economic models have it as the largest or second largest economy in the world (alongside the USA and China depending on what measure you like).

The idea that the UK will have a strong relative negotiating position simply doesn’t represent reality in any meaningful way.

All economies have areas of relative wealth and poverty to some degree. Writing off 120m of the population of the EU on that basis is disingenuous.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by jfman

There’s no need to exaggerate the economic strength of the EU. Various economic models have it as the largest or second largest economy in the world (alongside the USA and China depending on what measure you like).

The idea that the UK will have a strong relative negotiating position simply doesn’t represent reality in any meaningful way.

All economies have areas of relative wealth and poverty to some degree. Writing off 120m of the population of the EU on that basis is disingenuous.

Particularly as one of the EU's goals is to bring peoples standard of living up, rather than run a system on a large portion of the population remaining in significant poverty.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Today’s Times editorial

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...b1cb66bf062141


This is not “Project Fear", this is the reality 4 weeks before we leave the EU.

Does this mean that the good old US of A gains another 'state'? Do we have to fly the American flag? Will I have to contribute to the building of 'the wall'?

So many questions about the possibility of becoming American