4K UHD on Virgin Media - Page 48

awesometeeth · 20-06-2018, 13:13

Oh boy there are more of you.

Do you, honestly, think that people will be happier that our has hlg but they can't actually watch it?

You think BT people used to watching perfect 4k well on, week out, but can't watch the world cup properly, will care?

Your think sky people used to watching 4k for a long time but can't watch the world cup, will care?

Remind me again, why does an iPlayer trial mean they can't provide the streams to Virgin and sky as well?

The BBC really doesn't need friends like this.

Ultimate.Conj · 20-06-2018, 13:52

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Originally Posted by awesometeeth

Oh boy there are more of you.

Do you, honestly, think that people will be happier that our has hlg but they can't actually watch it?

You think BT people used to watching perfect 4k well on, week out, but can't watch the world cup properly, will care?

Your think sky people used to watching 4k for a long time but can't watch the world cup, will care?

Remind me again, why does an iPlayer trial mean they can't provide the streams to Virgin and sky as well?

The BBC really doesn't need friends like this.

For me, the only negatives were the sound dropping and time lag...think it was nearly 90secs behind the HD channel.

These negatives are obviously impacted more because we are watching live sport, but I'm sure they will be ironed out.

The picture quality was great, my tv went straight into HLG mode, couldn't fault that at all. There is a vast improvement in quality over the HD pictures.

If the Planet Earth 2 demo shows what they can do, I'm looking forward to non-live UHD content via the iPlayer which doesn't have the same technological constraints. It will be out of this world.

fenman35 · 20-06-2018, 15:20

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Originally Posted by awesometeeth

Oh boy there are more of you.

Do you, honestly, think that people will be happier that our has hlg but they can't actually watch it?

You think BT people used to watching perfect 4k well on, week out, but can't watch the world cup properly, will care?

Your think sky people used to watching 4k for a long time but can't watch the world cup, will care?

Remind me again, why does an iPlayer trial mean they can't provide the streams to Virgin and sky as well?

The BBC really doesn't need friends like this.

Sky 4K is not even 'full fat' UHD let alone HDR and HLG its best described as Uhd 'lite'. It uses the old colourspace Rec 709 and not 2020.

I also seem to remember missing F1 UHD recordings for about a month whilst Sky struggled to get their system working correctly

Raider999 · 20-06-2018, 16:43

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Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj

For me, the only negatives were the sound dropping and time lag...think it was nearly 90secs behind the HD channel.

These negatives are obviously impacted more because we are watching live sport, but I'm sure they will be ironed out.

The picture quality was great, my tv went straight into HLG mode, couldn't fault that at all. There is a vast improvement in quality over the HD pictures.

If the Planet Earth 2 demo shows what they can do, I'm looking forward to non-live UHD content via the iPlayer which doesn't have the same technological constraints. It will be out of this world.

Exactly my point, BBC should have trial led this before hand. Plenty of content they could have used if they wanted to.

Drop-outs, buffering just isn't acceptable.

Defending them is crazy, if they had to be commercial they would have gone under years ago.

If they have to make things available to all how come they chose to do it via a method that relies on a very high BB speed - hardly inclusive is it.

awesometeeth · 20-06-2018, 17:11

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Originally Posted by fenman35

Sky 4K is not even 'full fat' UHD let alone HDR and HLG its best described as Uhd 'lite'. It uses the old colourspace Rec 709 and not 2020.

I also seem to remember missing F1 UHD recordings for about a month whilst Sky struggled to get their system working correctly

This will be of great comfort to those who can't view the BBC 4k feed.

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Originally Posted by Raider999

Exactly my point, BBC should have trial led this before hand. Plenty of content they could have used if they wanted to.

Drop-outs, buffering just isn't acceptable.

Defending them is crazy, if they had to be commercial they would have gone under years ago.

If they have to make things available to all how come they chose to do it via a method that relies on a very high BB speed - hardly inclusive is it.

The sad thing, they actually think they are helping the BBC...

Ultimate.Conj · 20-06-2018, 17:13

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Originally Posted by Raider999

Exactly my point, BBC should have trial led this before hand. Plenty of content they could have used if they wanted to.

Drop-outs, buffering just isn't acceptable.

Defending them is crazy, if they had to be commercial they would have gone under years ago.

If they have to make things available to all how come they chose to do it via a method that relies on a very high BB speed - hardly inclusive is it.

I'm not defending them, but what could they have done trials on before this world cup? They don't really have any live sporting rights.

I haven't been able to watch a whole game in UHD because either a message on my phone telling me someone has scored or the buffering/audio drop outs. From the footage I have watched, it does look brilliant.

Having VM has only given me access to 1 football game in UHD (champions league final) and the tennis. Both looked really good, but maybe the BBC HLG looks even better. Hard to compare having watched them a month apart.

The BBC will come into its own when they start showing the stuff the are known for worldwide - that is not sport, but ground-breaking natural history documentaries and gritty dramas. When these are shown in UHD via iPlayer at the same time as on the HD channel without the audio dropping (lag won't be too much of an issue), we will see what their technology has to offer.

Yes Sky have lots in UHD already, but they are so much richer and bigger than the BBC.

Also, I don't think you can blame the BBC for most of the UK not having good enough BB speeds, we are just lucky with VM.

BenMcr · 20-06-2018, 17:37

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Originally Posted by Raider999

Exactly my point, BBC should have trial led this before hand. Plenty of content they could have used if they wanted to.

The BBC literally tested a 'full scale' live HLG workflow for the first time at the Royal Wedding last month, so no there wasn't lots of content before the World Cup they could have used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/blog/2018-0...edding-uhd-hdr

awesometeeth · 20-06-2018, 18:35

Can someone, anyone, explain why the iPlayer hlg means that it couldn't have ALSO have been transmitted via other platforms.

I mean, if you think it's so great, why on earth don't you want as many people as possible to view it?

ozsat · 20-06-2018, 18:44

It isn't being transmitted on any platform - not even VirginMedia.

iPlayer is a streaming service using your Internet which some Smart TV's and some connected products (like the V6 TiVo and the Roku+ stick) can access.

Sky doesn't have a streaming iPlayer service at all and does not currently support HDR - so is a non-starter.

It also requires a steady internet stream of approaching 40Mpbs - which rules out a lot of others.

HLG is a version of HDR which can be used on live events which also does not require different versions for different devices if they are not HDR.

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Originally Posted by awesometeeth

Can someone, anyone, explain why the iPlayer hlg means that it couldn't have ALSO have been transmitted via other platforms.

I mean, if you think it's so great, why on earth don't you want as many people as possible to view it?

awesometeeth · 20-06-2018, 19:02

I don't know what motivated that reply

Ultimate.Conj · 20-06-2018, 19:06

I thought it was an informative reply that answered your question

awesometeeth · 20-06-2018, 19:07

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Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj

I thought it was an informative reply that answered your question

Which question do you think you answered?

I think we all know the situation, it's why we are discussing it not being on any other platforms...

ozsat · 20-06-2018, 19:21

I'll say it again - it is not on any platforms.

It is an Internet stream provided via VirginMedia, Sky, BT, TalkTalk - and many more. It is not blocked on an of those unless the user has < 40Mpbs.

The V6 box is able to decode it to provide it on a compatible tv.

There is no other tv providers set-top-box which is compatible.

awesometeeth · 20-06-2018, 19:22

Yup, still not a clue why

ozsat · 20-06-2018, 19:25

Sky doesn't even have the IPlayer app - which is required to stream it.

BT have little interest in doing much at all.

This is only a trial anyway - so why would companies who don't have the firmware in place yet - bust a gut for something which may not stay in the format of the trial.

V6 was already supporting HDR before this trial.

The BBC provide the app to compatible hardware/firmware - and Sky and BT do not have that in place.

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Originally Posted by awesometeeth

Yup, still not a clue why