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Old 27-04-2022, 23:01   #526
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Well actually looks like a bit of a shaky start to TalkTV in the end: https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/27/piers...lktv-16542705/

Morgan got big numbers for his first show with Trump but they're actually behind GB News who are still quite behind SKY/BBC.
So why is anyone bothered? What difference does it make? People will watch the news they want but Talk TV is not a news channel, it is a discussion platform, it evolved to TV from Talk Radio

Forgot to also say it is part of the Murdouch (Fox News) empire.

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Old 28-04-2022, 08:15   #527
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So why is anyone bothered? What difference does it make? People will watch the news they want but Talk TV is not a news channel, it is a discussion platform, it evolved to TV from Talk Radio

Forgot to also say it is part of the Murdouch (Fox News) empire.
It's just interesting to see how these new channels do as it's not something we see a lot of in the U.K. Especially these attempts at more partisan and opinionated channels that do well in the United States with MSNBC and Fox News.
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Old 28-04-2022, 09:32   #528
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I watch GB News Breakfast, Headliners and listen to the Andrew Doyle podcast of his show and I don't see or hear anything partisan on there. BBC and Sky, when i watch them, come across as much more slanted.
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Old 28-04-2022, 10:09   #529
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Or to put it another way, when you watch things that broadly agree/reinforce with your viewpoint, you don’t see/recognise any bias, but when you watch things that don’t support, or May challenge, your views, you see bias…


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Or to put it another way, when you watch things that broadly agree/reinforce with your viewpoint, you don’t see/recognise any bias, but when you watch things that don’t support, or May challenge, your views, you see bias…


To justify what you've just said, maybe you'll do as Pierre and let us have an honest appraisal rather than sniding on Pierre.
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Old 28-04-2022, 10:16   #531
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To justify what you've just said, maybe you'll do as Pierre and let us have an honest appraisal rather than sniding on Pierre.
I doubt he's capable.
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Re: GB News

I haven't watched it for a while but a lot of it was unashamedly, intentionally, polemical. The TV equivalent of an opinion column as opposed to the news section. This was true of Andrew Neil's section, Farage's show and Wootton's show. It's not unbiased to talk about how you're going to confront the woke mob and it's not intended to be.
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I haven't watched it for a while but a lot of it was unashamedly, intentionally, polemical. The TV equivalent of an opinion column as opposed to the news section. This was true of Andrew Neil's section, Farage's show and Wootton's show. It's not unbiased to talk about how you're going to confront the woke mob and it's not intended to be.
Both TalkTV and GB News are actively pitching themselves as 'anti-woke' which is a cultural stance and definitely partisan
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To justify what you've just said, maybe you'll do as Pierre and let us have an honest appraisal rather than sniding on Pierre.
Was anything I said in that post inaccurate?

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Both TalkTV and GB News are actively pitching themselves as 'anti-woke' which is a cultural stance and definitely partisan
Telling others you can't say certain things or you deserve to be cancelled, fired or even die, is definitely partisan and extremely woke. The "minority" encroaching on the rest of us to agree to their stances.

I haven't yet watched any Talk TV, I can imagine it's free thinking and it is not afraid of discussing difficult conversations, pretty much like GB News does, Sky News and BBC News don't like upsetting folk so avoid controversial views.

For example - the big issue at the moment is transgenderism - There is nothing wrong saying only women have a cervix and only men have a prostate, yet, the pathetic wokeness of today says it's wrong to say this, when it most certainly is not, because science says so, just ask Professor Robert Winston.

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Telling others you can't say certain things or you deserve to be cancelled, fired or even die, is definitely partisan and extremely woke. The "minority" encroaching on the rest of us to agree to their stances.
It is but then so is the framing of how you present this problem. It's a debatable premise. GB News' commentary on how they'll fight this 'problem' is also partisan. You may agree with it, you may think it's an honourable fight, but it's not an objective stance.
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Both TalkTV and GB News are actively pitching themselves as 'anti-woke' which is a cultural stance and definitely partisan
Semantically correct but is there a sentiment of criticism/distaste for those two stations for their anti-wokeness?
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It is but then so is the framing of how you present this problem. It's a debatable premise. GB News' commentary on how they'll fight this 'problem' is also partisan. You may agree with it, you may think it's an honourable fight, but it's not an objective stance.
It's not about having to fight for something, it's about having common sense, you have laws in Scotland that say 4 year old children can change their sex without parental interference (see https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/14...dren-education)

This is utterly barbaric, at aged 4, no child should have the mindset that they want to change their sex. But to ban parents to wade in on this strange policy, utterly wrong. This is the kind of view that would not be aired on BBC News or Sky News, because they don't want to upset the woke mob - it's been discussed on GB News - it should be allowed to be said, it's not partisan, it's called free speech.
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Semantically correct but is there a sentiment of criticism/distaste for those two stations for their anti-wokeness?
A fully 'pro-woke' channel would also be definitely partisan
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Semantically correct but is there a sentiment of criticism/distaste for those two stations for their anti-wokeness?
I think there is criticism is how they frame it.

For example, I don't think the term woke is that useful and is instead used broadly to mean anything that is deemed too socially progressive to the speaker and/or listener. So it can mean transgenderism as Mick mentioned, it can mean Black Lives Matter, it can mean advocating for homosexual couples to adopt, and it can mean being pro-choice.

I certainly think there is a mob effect on social media where people actively go out to almost destroy anyone who makes the slightest perceived transgression. People for whom context and intention don't matter.

But then I also think there is a racial bias in American policing. That transgender people aren't hurting anyone so leave them alone. So to the likes of Dan Wotton, I am part of a woke mob. It doesn't bother me because I don't believe him to have much of intellect to be able to drill into these positions properly and think about it so he mouths off like a man in the pub, but it is an example of how unless the phrase is.

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