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Old 17-06-2019, 14:40   #5386
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I do enjoy the bitrate chat. It’s a tangible fact that BT Sport 4K broadcasts at 27.8 MB/sec on the network verified by digitalbitrate.

HD channels can average anything between 5 and 9 according to the same website. The margin of error on the percentage space is too high on a 1TB box to be used meaningfully.
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Other sport streaming services manage it, so I can't really understand why you think that Amazon wouldn't. When you refer to disc space, are you not referring to recordings from TV channels? As we are talking about streaming, disc space is not relevant as it is streamed/VOD.

Incidentally, UHD does not take 5 times the disc space of HD anyway, at least on the V6 box. I have had up to 4 separate series of UHD dramas on my box as well as a few nature programmes, and I have not noticed those shows eating up my disc space.
I have recorded numerous Premier League matches on BT. When I do I record in UHD on one box and HD on my other box.

The norm is 5 times the disk space, it is possible to display the disk usage in Gb. As we are talking sports streaming this is more relevant than dramas.

And yes I know streaming doesn't use recordings on your disk, however surely it is probable the band with? On the stream will be similarly higher.

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I do enjoy the bitrate chat. It’s a tangible fact that BT Sport 4K broadcasts at 27.8 MB/sec on the network verified by digitalbitrate.

HD channels can average anything between 5 and 9 according to the same website. The margin of error on the percentage space is too high on a 1TB box to be used meaningfully.
See my explanation in reply to OB. I am not using the %age disk space for comparison I use the actual Gb used to compare.
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Old 17-06-2019, 20:31   #5388
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I have recorded numerous Premier League matches on BT. When I do I record in UHD on one box and HD on my other box.

The norm is 5 times the disk space, it is possible to display the disk usage in Gb. As we are talking sports streaming this is more relevant than dramas.

And yes I know streaming doesn't use recordings on your disk, however surely it is probable the band with? On the stream will be similarly higher.
Thank you for explaining; yes I accept that.
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Amazon to roll out free movie streaming service IMDbTV across Europe.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2019...eid=3598503789
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Amazon to roll out free movie streaming service IMDbTV across Europe.

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Good news, Den. Unfortunately, it will be funded by adverts, so I won't be watching it.

I would be very pleased if they also had a subscription option witnout commercials. I would definitely go for that!
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Amazon’s streaming option is already quite muddled, as its free Prime content is in the same interface with stuff you have to pay for, and some of the paid content has a decent rental price while some of it is purchase only. It’s really frustrating. To make matters worse it is not uncommon for their box sets to offer only some seasons free of charge, so you get two thirds through a show’s run and then suddenly they want silly money per season to complete.

I’m curious to see how they package this in the UK alongside Prime Video, but TBH as their entire TV operation is geared towards getting Prime memberships to drive sales at their online shop I’m not holding out much hope of it being comprehensive or easy to use. Unlike Netflix, which once it has your subscription simply aims to keep you watching, Amazon’s aim, once you’ve subscribed, is to sell you more stuff, and it shows.
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l totally agree Chris as trying to navigate their Prime Video site can be pretty difficult sometimes as currently its very much a mish mash of poorly laid out pages with no clear direction at all.

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Good news, Den. Unfortunately, it will be funded by adverts, so I won't be watching it.

I would be very pleased if they also had a subscription option witnout commercials. I would definitely go for that!
Money talks OB and they will all have some sort of advertising in the end whether one likes it or not.
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Old 19-06-2019, 17:58   #5393
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l totally agree Chris as trying to navigate their Prime Video site can be pretty difficult sometimes as currently its very much a mish mash of poorly laid out pages with no clear direction at all.

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Money talks OB and they will all have some sort of advertising in the end whether one likes it or not.
That's something nobody knows at the moment, but the approach used on the ITV Hub and All4, where there are the two options, appears to be the best and will encourage the most subscribers.
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Amazon’s streaming option is already quite muddled, as its free Prime content is in the same interface with stuff you have to pay for, and some of the paid content has a decent rental price while some of it is purchase only. It’s really frustrating. To make matters worse it is not uncommon for their box sets to offer only some seasons free of charge, so you get two thirds through a show’s run and then suddenly they want silly money per season to complete.

I’m curious to see how they package this in the UK alongside Prime Video, but TBH as their entire TV operation is geared towards getting Prime memberships to drive sales at their online shop I’m not holding out much hope of it being comprehensive or easy to use. Unlike Netflix, which once it has your subscription simply aims to keep you watching, Amazon’s aim, once you’ve subscribed, is to sell you more stuff, and it shows.
I can't work out Amazon's strategy at all, apart from they want to conquer the world. This could be their undoing. Being all things to all people never works.

They've put enough money into streaming to suggest their very serious about steaming, but nowhere near the amounts that Netflix has put in. Perhaps Amazon are betting on the fact that Hollywood will still put their content on Amazon's services into the future, but if they don't, Amazon's streamers won't survive.

Perhaps IDMB will be marketed as the free option with Prime as the pay option, but with Prime already being a muddle as you say, it gets very confusing with all these streamers (and the ones still to launch) vying for eyeballs.

Trying to push consumers into buying more stuff on Amazon's site is risky. In my opinion they should do what Netflix is doing and create tonnes of original content and flog it as cheap as they can. Instead Amazon are acting like the corner shop trying to flog you anything, including out of date stuff, but it maybe that Amazon that becomes out of date in the end.
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I can't work out Amazon's strategy at all, apart from they want to conquer the world. This could be their undoing. Being all things to all people never works.

They've put enough money into streaming to suggest their very serious about steaming, but nowhere near the amounts that Netflix has put in. Perhaps Amazon are betting on the fact that Hollywood will still put their content on Amazon's services into the future, but if they don't, Amazon's streamers won't survive.

Perhaps IDMB will be marketed as the free option with Prime as the pay option, but with Prime already being a muddle as you say, it gets very confusing with all these streamers (and the ones still to launch) vying for eyeballs.

Trying to push consumers into buying more stuff on Amazon's site is risky. In my opinion they should do what Netflix is doing and create tonnes of original content and flog it as cheap as they can. Instead Amazon are acting like the corner shop trying to flog you anything, including out of date stuff, but it maybe that Amazon that becomes out of date in the end.
Have to agree, I have noticed more series /films are becoming pay option. Navigation is becoming a pain.
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The Pay Separately stuff on Amazon was there before the subscription stuff, Amazon was doing them before they bought/consumed/integrated LoveFilm. It's always been messy, that messiness in my opinion speeded up the fall of the LoveFilm service, both the physical and their streaming part, LoveFilm Instant. They moved the content onto Amazon's website in what amounted to a Cut'n'Paste job and instantly lost its easy to navigate, logic layout as it had to fit with the aging Amazon site template for which it was not suited (not to mention lost a most of user generated data, all the LF reviews, guides and ratings disappeared). The whole site is a mess, cross-selling and ten zillion formats. It's a wonder it hasn't affected sales more.
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The fact that Amazon is also trying to be a pay tv company offering "channels" of content like Starz doesn't help either. Just a total mess and muddle. At least with Netflix, you know what you are getting, which is everything. I had assumed all the other companies would copy this model but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Apple is another company who despite spending lots of money on original content, their prime motivation, like Amazon, is to sell on other services or products, especially their over expensive phones.
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I’m very curious to see what Disney’s offering looks like when it launches in the UK. If it’s as clean and all-you-can-eat as Netflix they could come to dominate very quickly.
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I’m very curious to see what Disney’s offering looks like when it launches in the UK. If it’s as clean and all-you-can-eat as Netflix they could come to dominate very quickly.
Disney has a UK service already, it's just not particularly well advertised and doesn't quite have the range of the new services in the US will. Disney Life was estimated by the person who told me it existed to have around 80% of what Disney+ will likely have.
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Disney has a UK service already, it's just not particularly well advertised and doesn't quite have the range of the new services in the US will. Disney Life was estimated by the person who told me it existed to have around 80% of what Disney+ will likely have.
It may well have 80% of the stuff that will be on one of the Disney+ strands, but there will be two other strands in addition. One will be Hulu and one will be ESPN from what I have read. However, the Hulu part might be restricted in the UK as many of its shows are contracted out to our pay tv channels.
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