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Old 18-06-2019, 09:43   #286
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Loving the expression: "democratic process as per the party rule book"

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You can aim that sentiment at the Labour party as well.
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Loving the expression: "democratic process as per the party rule book"

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The party membership doesn’t have to be. The party chooses its leader, not the prime minister. Ultimately the position of PM is a matter of parliamentary confidence. And parliamentary sovereignty is very much the thing right now.
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You can aim that sentiment at the Labour party as well.
So true but JC is not current Clown about to embarrass the country. His turn is next

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The party membership doesn’t have to be. The party chooses its leader, not the prime minister. Ultimately the position of PM is a matter of parliamentary confidence. And parliamentary sovereignty is very much the thing right now.
Agreed but it is important to remember the type of people who will make this decision. In the same way, we should remember the role of Momentum in getting JC into power.

Both unrepresentative cabals ..
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Cutting taxes for the better off has been shown to increase tax take, but you carefully avoid that little fact. You are promoting the politics of envy. There is nothing fiscally irresponsible in Boris's tax proposals, but I think you know that.

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Boris won't, actually, even taking account of the buffonery.

However, Corbyn would soon cripple the economy as he dances with his terrorist friends.
He may in touch with the nutty right wingers, but he's out if touch with the rest of the country.
E.g his definition of middle income. He believes raising the 40p tax rate from £50k to £80k will help the average Joe. Someone needs to tell him the average UK salary is around £28k, it'd probably be a genuine surprise.(and MPs salaries being £79k is a total coincidence to this new policy!)

People want more spent on public services, health education, police, social care. The days of tax cuts are gone, it doesn't necessarily get votes any longer.
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So true but JC is not current Clown about to embarrass the country. His turn is next

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Agreed but it is important to remember the type of people who will make this decision. In the same way, we should remember the role of Momentum in getting JC into power.

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Well given the extremely likely choice of leader that the Conservative party will choose as their next leader and next PM and the current incumbent leader of the Labour party my vote will be going elsewhere come the next general election and its not a decision l take lightly.
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Loving the expression: "democratic process as per the party rule book" Something Stalin would have been proud of! (Cue the Corbyn retort )

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You could have joined the party if you wanted to democratically influence the vote, you can join now and influence decisions in the future but not in this election as per the party rules.
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So true but JC is not current Clown about to embarrass the country. His turn is next

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All true, but it’s also important to remember that we don’t directly elect the executive in this country. We never have. Party leadership is a matter for party membership, which by its nature is unrepresentative. Premiership is a matter for Parliament - the Parliament we all elect. When we hold a General Election we should perhaps be more mindful of the power we are investing in the individual we elect to represent our constituency and less so of those who happen to hold ministerial positions at the time.

Perhaps the fractiousness and rebelliousness of Parliament these last few months will help re-establish that understanding.
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All true, but it’s also important to remember that we don’t directly elect the executive in this country. We never have. Party leadership is a matter for party membership, which by its nature is unrepresentative. Premiership is a matter for Parliament - the Parliament we all elect. When we hold a General Election we should perhaps be more mindful of the power we are investing in the individual we elect to represent our constituency and less so of those who happen to hold ministerial positions at the time.

Perhaps the fractiousness and rebelliousness of Parliament these last few months will help re-establish that understanding.
Agreed. The delicious irony is that Johnson vehemently objected to the appointment of Gordon Brown after Blair stepped down:

Boris Johnson blasted leaders becoming PM without election in old column

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Johnson hit out at the former Chancellor for taking the job at Number 10 without winning his own general election as leader, calling it a ‘gigantic fraud’. ‘It’s the arrogance. It’s the contempt. That’s what gets me,’ Johnson wrote. ‘It’s Gordon Brown’s apparent belief that he can just trample on the democratic will of the British people. ‘It’s at moments like this that I think the political world has gone mad, and I am alone in detecting the gigantic fraud.’


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You could have joined the party if you wanted to democratically influence the vote, you can join now and influence decisions in the future but not in this election as per the party rules.
I think you wasted the crayon on this one

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The party membership doesn’t have to be. The party chooses its leader, not the prime minister. Ultimately the position of PM is a matter of parliamentary confidence. And parliamentary sovereignty is very much the thing right now.
Some colour on the values of said membership. What they will accept in turn for getting Brexit. Truly frightening:

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Agreed. The delicious irony is that Johnson vehemently objected to the appointment of Gordon Brown after Blair stepped down:

Boris Johnson blasted leaders becoming PM without election in old column



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I think you wasted the crayon on this one :)

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Some colour on the values of said membership. What they will accept in turn for getting Brexit. Truly frightening:

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Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Jeremy Hunt, Sajid Javid and Rory Stewart through to next round in leadership race , Dominic Raab knocked out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-48678723
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Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Jeremy Hunt, Sajid Javid and Rory Stewart through to next round in leadership race , Dominic Raab knocked out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-48678723
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Goofy's still in it then
Perhaps he has got a nice nickname for you old papa.
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Perhaps he has got a nice nickname for you old papa.
Adonis ?

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Adonis ?

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How did you know who i was referring to if he don't resemble goofy.
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Suspicion that Gavin Williamson, working on Boris' campaign, organised enough votes from Boris supporters to keep Javid in the race: https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/...37221790867463
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