UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal
23-10-2019, 20:31
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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They voted on the Withdrawal Act...
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It’s all a blur now, do you mean the WAB yesterday?
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23-10-2019, 21:02
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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It’s all a blur now, do you mean the WAB yesterday?
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The first one, that enshrined exit day in law. I do agree, it's all getting rather complicated. 
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23-10-2019, 21:25
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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The first one, that enshrined exit day in law. I do agree, it's all getting rather complicated. |
Well yes, and there’s the paradox, they voted for it then have done everything in their power since to prevent it.
So I wouldn’t put that down as great decision making it. They made a decision and have since done all they can to prevent the outcome of that decision.......yay.
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23-10-2019, 21:45
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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Well yes, and there’s the paradox, they voted for it then have done everything in their power since to prevent it.
So I wouldn’t put that down as great decision making it. They made a decision and have since done all they can to prevent the outcome of that decision.......yay.
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Theoretically, they voted for it but wanted longer to discuss it. The two votes are not mutually exclusive and in a vacuum the timetable was an absurd provocation that wouldn't have been tried. It's a massive bill with all sorts of ramifications including for Northern Ireland which is why the DUP - whose votes were the difference in the end - voted against both.
Obviously the additional context is the fear stuff could be tacked on but even that isn't bad in itself. There is a theoretical majority for the deal. Unless some of those were being disingenuous in their original backing then some sort of deal is within reach. One key element that the Government should live with is the handing of the transition period to Parliament for example.
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24-10-2019, 10:00
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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Originally Posted by Angua
That Cameron promised to abide by the results of an "Advisory" referendum has been the problem all along.
Any referendum making such a promise should only be run as binding. Forcing every MP to support his comment has led us down this disastrous path.
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And by making it advisory removed the courts power to quash what they described as dishonest and illegal, good work Dave
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No, you are wrong. The Conservative and Labour manifestos were based on honouring the result of the referendum. Many MPs are not fulfilling that pledge. They should be ashamed.
They will get their comeuppence at the general election, whenever they have the guts to vote for one.
It will be in the country's interests to vote for the Withdrawal Bill now, unfettered by those stupid amendments designed only to see off Brexit altogether. It will serve them right if the EU failed to grant an extension, wouldn't it?
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The labour manifesto that the country rejected, ludicrous to suggest they should be bound by a manifesto the country didn't want
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What rights? This is just stupid speculation by remainers, and particularly the Labour opposition.
The Withdrawal Bill, if eventually enacted, will transfer all EU employment legislation into UK law. You seem to forget that the UK has been ahead of the game when it comes to employment rights. Particularly under a Conservative Government.
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I don't believe it is going to be part of the law, is going to be something we aspire to adhere to iirc, it could have been law but was removed from that section for some reason, not sure why the government would do that, it's not like they have people that form part of it who have described British workers as "among the most lazy and feckless in the world", oh wait they do and they even went as far as to write that in a book
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It’s a total joke they’re trying to put this through in so little time and reduced scrutiny.  |
More time was spent discussing the 19 animals used in the circus than on this, speaks volumes imo...
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24-10-2019, 10:04
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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Theoretically, they voted for it but wanted longer to discuss it. The two votes are not mutually exclusive and in a vacuum the timetable was an absurd provocation that wouldn't have been tried. It's a massive bill with all sorts of ramifications including for Northern Ireland which is why the DUP - whose votes were the difference in the end - voted against both.
Obviously the additional context is the fear stuff could be tacked on but even that isn't bad in itself. There is a theoretical majority for the deal. Unless some of those were being disingenuous in their original backing then some sort of deal is within reach. One key element that the Government should live with is the handing of the transition period to Parliament for example.
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Parliament may appear to have voted for Brexit, but next they intend to pass an amendment to keep us in the customs union, thus taking away the benefits of Brexit. People should be clear on that. They are playing with us!
With luck, the EU will not be able to secure unanimity on an extension and we will crash out. That will serve them right. However, the most helpful the EU could be is to grant an extension only on the basis that we hold a General Election to sort Parliament out. At least that will give us a way out of this impasse.
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24-10-2019, 10:06
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50162009
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Downing Street has dismissed reports of disagreements within Boris Johnson's government over how to move forward with the Brexit process.
No 10 has indicated the PM will seek a snap poll if the EU proposes delaying the Brexit deadline until January.
However, some ministers are understood to want to focus on getting the PM's Withdrawal Agreement Bill through Parliament instead.
No 10 sources insisted there were no splits in the cabinet's strategy.
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24-10-2019, 10:24
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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pointless trying to get the bill though, as it will be wrecked by the remainer parliament. A GE is the only forward.
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24-10-2019, 10:48
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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pointless trying to get the bill though, as it will be wrecked by the remainer parliament. A GE is the only forward.
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The people need the opportunity to sack the filth that has blighted democracy since the referendum.
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24-10-2019, 12:48
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
Ok let's drop the abusive and inflammatory language or there will be repercussions.Everyone was warned to debate not to flame or troll others with a different viewpoint.
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Regurgitating the same drivel has blighted this debate,and that's not going to solve the problem,what is needed is a GE so the public can weed out those not worthy of being an MP and also deliver a majority to a single party to put this matter to bed.
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Cough!
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24-10-2019, 16:43
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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This farce has gone on long enough.
This Parliament is impotent and not fit for purpose.
We need a 1 month extension, and a general election.
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No we need to leave on the 31st Oct.
Then have a GE.
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24-10-2019, 16:57
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
Sky news’s Beth Rigby says Boris Johnson will table a motion for a general election on Monday.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...sion-live-news
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Boris Johnson has announced that he will push for a general election on 12 December.
He says that parliament voted to delay Brexit and “that delay could go on for a very long time” because the EU would respond to parliament’s request and agree an extension.
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24-10-2019, 17:13
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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Will jeremy the chicken go for it or just let this stupidity go on.
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24-10-2019, 17:56
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
This is an absolutely tedious con.
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24-10-2019, 18:03
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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This is an absolutely tedious con.
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exactly and a GE wont solve the Brexit mess one bit with another hung parliament what if we elect a majority remain parliament again the leavers on here all ready said they wont except that and the mess continues for maybe years more
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