Brexit (Old)

[djfunkdup]

Originally Posted by Mick

Oooh looks like I upset the CF Spelling Policeman, you knew which word I meant.

Well as you know some on here collect spelling/grammar mistakes like woman of a certain age collect thimbles

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

He can choose to revoke his European Status if he likes, just like I revoke my EU Citizenship, mainly because I don't want to be associated with a dictatorial corrupt entity AKA the EU, he is British first, everything after that is irrelevant.

You will be an EU citizen until we leave the EU or you are awarded citizenship of a non-EU country. We joined the EU together, we leave it together.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Indeed. There are those who, for their own political reasons, cynically adjust each of the input parameters to their model (BoE and treasury) to produce the worst possible outcome and then tout this as what is going to happen then the media lap it up and spit it out across their biased networks (BBC)

I wonder why we never hear what might happen when all the parameters are set for the best possible outcome?

We have heard it and it still shows us worse off than remaining. Many Brexiters acknowledge this and say it's a price worth paying.

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Originally Posted by jfman

We should have arranged a Brexit thread Christmas night out.

Lol, we'd probably need two separate venues.

Nope my passport says I’m a British Citizen, no other status applies. The EU is a dictatorial, corrupted entity that I have no desire, nor want to be associated with and the UK has legitimately voted to leave this cancerous dirty empire. A 2nd losers vote for the democracy abusers will be illegitimate.

[1andrew1]

Theresa May condemns Tony Blair's call for second referendum - but allies are secretly preparing for fresh public vote
The prime minister hit out at predecessor Tony Blair, who on Friday told Sky News she should "switch course" and back a second referendum because of deadlock in parliament.
Yet behind the scenes, her de-facto deputy David Lidington has discussed a new poll with Labour MPs.
And her chief of staff, Gavin Barwell, was forced to deny reports on Sunday that he was planning for a second referendum.
Over the past fortnight, Mr Lidington has held a series of meetings with Labour MPs, including one on Thursday with leading campaigners for a so-called "people's vote".

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-m...-vote-11582616

[denphone]

Well she might soon not have any choice in these coming weeks whether one likes it or not Andrew.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-m...-vote-11582616

May says one thing.
Her de-facto deputy and her chief of staff meeting Labour MPs.
Amber Rudd says there needs to be a cross party consensus.

These people aren’t the shambles they are made out to be. This is deliberate. It’s testing the water moving towards “we had no choice but to put it back to the people .

Originally Posted by jfman

May says one thing.
Her de-facto deputy and her chief of staff meeting Labour MPs.
Amber Rudd says there needs to be a cross party consensus.

These people aren’t the shambles they are made out to be. This is deliberate. It’s testing the water moving towards “we had no choice but to put it back to the people .

That’s fanciful. Politicians equivocate, as subtly as possible, when they’re trying to say one thing while planning to do something else. They don’t launch a broadside at a former prime minister and accuse him of insulting the office he held, for suggesting the course of action she (supposedly, secretly) wants to take.

Face facts ... May knows Brexit will be her one legacy and she’s hell bent on delivering it. There won’t be a second referendum and there won’t be any significant departure from the deal on the table. She’s going to run the clock down, effectively playing chicken with the legislature, to see if there’s any way of getting the deal done when No Deal is the only real, imminent alternative.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by jfman

May says one thing.
Her de-facto deputy and her chief of staff meeting Labour MPs.
Amber Rudd says there needs to be a cross party consensus.

These people aren’t the shambles they are made out to be. This is deliberate. It’s testing the water moving towards “we had no choice but to put it back to the people .

I had similar thoughts a week or so ago . .

Originally Posted by Carth

Maybe it's not the shambles that we think it is.

Let's go back to the referendum result, the one where the public voted to leave the EU.

After the result was in, Government, Business and Financial sectors should have started to make preparations for leaving the EU . . including the so called 'hard brexit'.

Instead they all sat around scratching their heads, looking uncomfortable and muttering 'well that didn't go how we thought it would'.

Then some bright spark decided the best way to deal with it was to fudge, obfuscate, manipulate, and spread dissent so that it all decended into a farce that would end with no brexit at all.

Originally Posted by Mick

Nope my passport says I’m a British Citizen, no other status applies. The EU is a dictatorial, corrupted entity that I have, nor want to be associated with and the UK has legitimately voted to leave this cancerous dirty empire. A 2nd losers vote for the democracy abusers will be illegitimate.

It also states you are in the European Union...

Nope, wrong as usual Hugh - It says in the Nationality part: British Citizen, nothing else - I am not a EU citizen.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

That’s fanciful. Politicians equivocate, as subtly as possible, when they’re trying to say one thing while planning to do something else. They don’t launch a broadside at a former prime minister and accuse him of insulting the office he held, for suggesting the course of action she (supposedly, secretly) wants to take.

Face facts ... May knows Brexit will be her one legacy and she’s hell bent on delivering it. There won’t be a second referendum and there won’t be any significant departure from the deal on the table. She’s going to run the clock down, effectively playing chicken with the legislature, to see if there’s any way of getting the deal done when No Deal is the only real, imminent alternative.

Attacking Blair gets good headlines and makes her appear strong.

I’m not sure she does see Brexit as a legacy, delivering Remain and steering the country through the crisis would be a legacy in itself. I think she has to play chicken with Parliament to frame this as MPs meddling.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Nope, wrong as usual Hugh - It says in the Nationality part: British Citizen, nothing else - I am not a EU citizen.

Anyone who is a British citizen is also an EU citizen.

Any national of an EU country is considered to be a citizen of the EU. EU citizenship does not replace national citizenship: it is an addition to it.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/summary/gl...tizenship.html

Originally Posted by Mick

Nope, wrong as usual Hugh - It says in the Nationality part: British Citizen, nothing else - I am not a EU citizen.

Under the Maastricht Treaty, signed in 1992 by the UK, yes, you are - under this treaty, European citizenship was created, allowing citizens to reside in and move freely between Member States.

you may not want to be a EU Citizen, but legally, you are.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Anyone who is a British citizen is also an EU citizen.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/summary/gl...tizenship.html

I've no quarrel with Andrew here. But this is a ridiculous sub-topic. When we leave the EU, all this nit-picking aspect will be put to bed particularly as Lex-Europa will no longer apply.


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Originally Posted by jfman

May says one thing.
Her de-facto deputy and her chief of staff meeting Labour MPs.
Amber Rudd says there needs to be a cross party consensus.

These people aren’t the shambles they are made out to be. This is deliberate. It’s testing the water moving towards “we had no choice but to put it back to the people .

May's dread would be alignment with her nemesis, Blair.

TM is determined that the UK shall leave the EU and that there is no 2nd referendum.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

That’s fanciful. Politicians equivocate, as subtly as possible, when they’re trying to say one thing while planning to do something else. They don’t launch a broadside at a former prime minister and accuse him of insulting the office he held, for suggesting the course of action she (supposedly, secretly) wants to take.

Face facts ... May knows Brexit will be her one legacy and she’s hell bent on delivering it. There won’t be a second referendum and there won’t be any significant departure from the deal on the table. She’s going to run the clock down, effectively playing chicken with the legislature, to see if there’s any way of getting the deal done when No Deal is the only real, imminent alternative.

Theresa May has denied many things before and then gone on to do exactly what she denied. We may not instantly recall her denying that she would not hold an election but the memory of her saying that the vote on her deal would not be postponed is still fresh.
I think Brexiters need to accept the hard facts that there is a possibility of a second referendum...and also that they may not win it. I don't want another referendum to happen but I believe the chances of it happening are steadily growing as shown by recent developments.