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Old 14-05-2021, 02:29   #1036
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Re: Child grooming gang found guilty

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You would expect the majority of offenders to be white in a country that is 90% white.

If you read the report (or skim it) they don't make any real other insights into if one group is overrepresented due to poor data collection.

Still, I think this is better than basing your impression on media reports.
I think an easy way to demonstrate this is to do a Google search for "Grooming gang in court" and see how many pages you need to go back through before you find such a gang made up of predominantly white men.

You're kind of left with 2 possible scenarios: that Google is involved in a wide-scale conspiracy to ensure only Asian-based gangs show highest in the rankings, or that the overwhelming number of these grooming gangs involve Asian-heritage men.
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Old 14-05-2021, 08:38   #1037
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I think an easy way to demonstrate this is to do a Google search for "Grooming gang in court" and see how many pages you need to go back through before you find such a gang made up of predominantly white men.

You're kind of left with 2 possible scenarios: that Google is involved in a wide-scale conspiracy to ensure only Asian-based gangs show highest in the rankings, or that the overwhelming number of these grooming gangs involve Asian-heritage men.
"Asian"? How many Japanese, Chinese, Russian, Mongolian, Korean, etc are involved? The common factor isn't being "Asian".


As the somebody in a documentary a while back said, "If you haven't found a similar gang in a town, you haven't looked".
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It’s because I find it easier to type “Asian” than “Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi” etc.
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Old 14-05-2021, 09:31   #1039
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It’s because I find it easier to type “Asian” than “Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi” etc.
How is a six letter word more difficult than a five letter one?
Whereabouts in Asia, is Somalia?
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Thirteen men have been convicted of a string of child sex crimes in Bristol involving the abuse, rape and prostitution of teenage girls.
Bristol Crown Court heard one victim, aged 16, was assaulted by five Somali men after she was moved to the city while in the care of another authority.
Her 14-year-old sister was raped by a member of the gang while visiting her.
The inquiry led to police uncovering another gang of Somali origin who had been abusing four other girls.
The four teenagers were paid £30 or given drugs, alcohol and gifts to perform sex acts on older men from the Somali community.
In this case, 2 of the men are clearly Sikh, but 7 of the 20 are called Mohammed, with others having a Muslim aspect to their name.
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A gang of men who embarked on a “campaign of rape and other sexual abuse” against vulnerable teenage girls in Huddersfield has been given lengthy jail sentences, it can now be reported.
Ringleader Amere Singh Dhaliwal, 35, was jailed for life earlier this year and told he must serve a minimum of 18 years in prison by a judge who said: “Your treatment of these girls was inhuman.”
It is Islam that binds the group, and gives it a form of internal protection, in that they are unlikely to report it.

Couple of months ago.
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A new police unit to investigate child sex grooming gangs in Greater Manchester has already identified more than 800 offenders.
It is running three major investigations into historic abuse of young girls in Manchester and Rochdale.
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Across the force there are now 70 investigations which involve multiple victims of child sexual exploitation.
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After the death of Victoria Agoglia, aged 15, in 2003, Augusta, was set up to see if there was a wider issue of child sexual exploitation in south Manchester. Victoria was sexually abused and injected with heroin.
Officers managed to identify a network of nearly 100 men potentially involved in the abuse of scores of girls via takeaways in and around Rusholme, but Augusta was shut down shortly afterwards due to resources, ‘rather than a sound understanding’ of whether lines of inquiry had been exhausted.
So you have a death and 100 criminals and a lack of resources was the problem? 2003 was 5 years before 2008.
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A second investigation which the new CSE Unit is handling is Operation Green Jacket. It was launched in May 2019 as a response to the flawed Operation Augusta.
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Operation Green Jacket has assessed 122 victims - 82 of whom have declared themselves as victims. It has identified 124 perpetrators of whom eight have been arrested as suspects.
Of the eight arrested four relate the case of Victoria Agoglia.
8 arrests out of 124 identified perpetrators.
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"Asian"? How many Japanese, Chinese, Russian, Mongolian, Korean, etc are involved? The common factor isn't being "Asian".


As the somebody in a documentary a while back said, "If you haven't found a similar gang in a town, you haven't looked".
https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures..../ethnic-groups
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1. List of ethnic groups

Asian or Asian British
Indian
Pakistani
Bangladeshi
Chinese
Any other Asian background
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How is a six letter word more difficult than a five letter one?
Whereabouts in Asia, is Somalia?
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In this case, 2 of the men are clearly Sikh, but 7 of the 20 are called Mohammed, with others having a Muslim aspect to their name.

It is Islam that binds the group, and gives it a form of internal protection, in that they are unlikely to report it.

Couple of months ago.

So you have a death and 100 criminals and a lack of resources was the problem? 2003 was 5 years before 2008.
8 arrests out of 124 identified perpetrators.
(Sigh)

When I used to live in Leicester there were a lot of rumoured grooming gangs. These gangs were made up of Indian men as well as Bangladeshi and Pakistani.

Now call me lazy if you wish but I find it easier to just say "Asian" that say all those nationalities in one sentence.
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But if eg a particular set of people were overwhelmingly Italian, you wouldn't try to describe them as European. Where somebody would do that is to obscure the truth.
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Almost universally, the one word all the papers avoid is “Muslim”. But that’s what this gang is, not “Asian”: of the gang of seven only five were of Pakistani origin: the other two were variously described as being from Eritrea or North Africa. What do these very different parts of the world have in common? Simply that they are Muslim: it’s a religious problem we have here, not a racial one: the gang were not all of the same race. My point was made for me, in effect by Julie Siddiqui, of the Islamic Society of Britain and co-founder of the Community Alliance Against Sexual Exploitation, whose comment on the verdicts was that “The damage these men have done and evil they have wrought will last a lifetime for their victims which can never be fully healed. The men and those who sheltered them must now examine their consciences as they reflect on the terrible nature of their crimes. It is imperative that there is no hiding place for abuse or abusers within any of our communities.” That word “our’” means “Muslim”: it doesn’t mean “Asian”. If you go to the part of Cowley around which most of the relatively small Islamic community in Oxford has settled, you can see in front of you what holds them all — Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Eritreans, Somalians – together: it’s the mosque, a handsome building, complete with dome and minaret, on the Cowley Road.
As I have to keep pointing out, the number of those convicted are just the tip of the iceberg.
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Amusing that you quote the Catholic Herald when commenting on child grooming
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Amusing that you quote the Catholic Herald when commenting on child grooming
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