Labour was responsible for anti-Semitic discrimination - Page 4

Sephiroth · 29-10-2020, 19:31

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Originally Posted by Chris

Apparently the party leadership advised Corbyn not to make the statement he did. They then advised him to retract it, but he didn’t. The man really doesn’t get it. It’s no wonder things got so out of control under his leadership.

Corbyn does get it.

He likes to stay true to his beliefs. One of those beliefs is that he doesn't care for Jews or Israel or both. He wants to be self-consistent.

Horrible man.

heero_yuy · 30-10-2020, 09:21

If the law has been broken by members of the Labour party, when do the prosecutions start?

BenMcr · 30-10-2020, 09:37

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

If the law has been broken by members of the Labour party, when do the prosecutions start?

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/...rimination-and

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The Labour Party has until 10 December to draft an action plan to implement the recommendations, which is legally enforceable by the court if not fulfilled.

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/...d-wider-powers

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The Commission can enter into a formal agreement with a person or organisation that it believes has committed an unlawful act. By entering into an agreement, the person or organisation agrees not to commit an unlawful act. As such, it is often an effective alternative to other formal enforcement action.

Agreements can be entered into without a formal investigation and will involve putting an action plan in place. It’s important to note that by agreeing to an action plan, however, the individual or organisation is not admitting that there has been an unlawful act.

Once the agreement and action plan are in place, we will keep in regular contact with the person or organisation, who must report regularly on progress. If they don’t comply with the agreement, or we think that compliance is unlikely, we can take further action through the courts.

Additionally, the Commission may suspend an investigation if the organisation being investigated agrees to enter into a section 23 agreement with an action plan. This means we will not recommence the investigation if the organisation complies with the terms of the agreement and action plan.

noel43 · 30-10-2020, 09:47

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Originally Posted by Chris

Supposedly the suspension is for his reaction to the judgment (parts of which he says he does not accept). I think Corbyn just made it easier for Starmer to make an example of him. He was always going to have to carry the can for this.

I see this morning he was still rehearsing the same old generalising claptrap about opposing “all forms of racism” (it’s always “all forms of” something with Corbyn - his devotion to equality is so perverse he simply can’t make any sort of judgment about degrees of wrong, priorities for action or strength of corrective measures). His blind spot on this is astounding. Mind you, and this bears endless repetition - he has friends in Hamas who are ideologically committed to the extinction of a nation state. Imbibing that sort of lunacy has to cloud your judgment sooner or later (or, perhaps, proves you never had much judgment in the first place).

Isreal isn't as innocent as people like to think. They are doing in Palestine what the Germans did in Poland. Taking occupied land and building villages. This is against international law, yet everybody see.s happy with that.

jfman · 30-10-2020, 09:55

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Originally Posted by noel43

Isreal isn't as innocent as people like to think. They are doing in Palestine what the Germans did in Poland. Taking occupied land and building villages. This is against international law, yet everybody see.s happy with that.

Steady. That’s in the new definition of antisemitism.

papa smurf · 30-10-2020, 09:59

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Originally Posted by jfman

Steady. That’s in the new definition of antisemitism.

it's in the old definition of his/her opinion.

**Damien** · 30-10-2020, 10:06

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Originally Posted by noel43

Isreal isn't as innocent as people like to think. They are doing in Palestine what the Germans did in Poland. Taking occupied land and building villages. This is against international law, yet everybody see.s happy with that.

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Steady. That’s in the new definition of antisemitism.

You can criticise Israeli policy towards Palestine without drawing upon the Holocaust in doing so. I think it's pretty obvious why people choose to make that comparison and I don't think you can feign ignorance as to why it's not a good idea.

BenMcr · 30-10-2020, 10:07

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Originally Posted by Damien

Aren't these EHRC laws sort of sorted out within the remit of the organisation as well? i.E Labour complies with the recommendations and it's sorted. I don't think they're accused of anything that has a criminal element attached.

I'd think so as the report says 'unlawful' not 'illegal'.

1andrew1 · 30-10-2020, 10:20

Great thread in Twitter about the failings of leaders which neatly sums up the situations Thatcher, Blair and Corbyn all found themselves in.

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There is a class of conviction politician who, over time, become convinced they're infallible, simply by dint of a few good / popular acts. And it destroys them...

https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire/s...27124513599492

Sephiroth · 30-10-2020, 10:42

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Originally Posted by noel43

Isreal isn't as innocent as people like to think. They are doing in Palestine what the Germans did in Poland. Taking occupied land and building villages. This is against international law, yet everybody see.s happy with that.

Tut, tut. You may need to re-evaluate yourself.

Israel may well be doing silly things in Palestine (the two you listed). But you didn't exclude the mass murdering that Germans did in Poland leaving you wide open to criticism.

Btw, what has Israel got to do with antisemitism in the Labour Party?

Do you think that the past Labour Party hierarchy tolerated antisemitism?

**Hugh** · 30-10-2020, 10:52

From Len McCluskey

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General secretary of the Unite union, Len McCluskey, called it "an act of grave injustice which, if not reversed, will create chaos within the party and in doing so compromise Labour's chances of a general election victory".

Because it went so well in the last election...

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Originally Posted by noel43

Isreal isn't as innocent as people like to think. They are doing in Palestine what the Germans did in Poland. Taking occupied land and building villages. This is against international law, yet everybody see.s happy with that.

Yeh, but no...

The Germans did a few more egregious things in Poland (the omission of which does not help your position), which the Israelis are not doing in Palestine...

pip08456 · 30-10-2020, 12:01

As expected Momentum pitches in.

1andrew1 · 30-10-2020, 12:17

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Originally Posted by Damien

You can criticise Israeli policy towards Palestine without drawing upon the Holocaust in doing so. I think it's pretty obvious why people choose to make that comparison and I don't think you can feign ignorance as to why it's not a good idea.

nomadking · 30-10-2020, 12:42

For each person in the Labour party that has made a anti-Semitic comment, there are thousands of other Labour party members, who support that the comments.
If they got rid of the Labour local councillors, there would be areas of the country with no Labour council.

BenMcr · 30-10-2020, 12:56

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Originally Posted by nomadking

For each person in the Labour party that has made a anti-Semitic comment, there are thousands of other Labour party members, who support that the comments.
If they got rid of the Labour local councillors, there would be areas of the country with no Labour council.

I'm pretty sure there is another party that a similar comment could be made in regards to a religion.

Anyway, the question isn't whether those view exist and by how many within a party, it's about how the party deals with them. That's what the EHCR investigation was about.