Will Scotland Leave the UK?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by jfman

That's generally the attitude I'd expect if all that is claimed were true. England will be better off anyway (allegedly). I'd simply bid Scotland farewell and with them good luck if that were true.

However there's this underlying thing that seems to get the juices going among some British nationalists that it's something for them to massively fear. I'm keen to scratch the surface of it because if it were straightforward economics, and the English national interest, it'd be see you later.

Most of the English I know couldn't give two hoots () about Scottish independence. I'm glad I don't move in your circles, they seem a strange lot

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Carth

Most of the English I know couldn't give two hoots () about Scottish independence. I'm glad I don't move in your circles, they seem a strange lot

It's all that plotting and scheming it sends them a bit doolally tap

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Carth

Most of the English I know couldn't give two hoots () about Scottish independence. I'm glad I don't move in your circles, they seem a strange lot

Should read, are.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I'm English and I certainly don't fear an independent Scotland. I think they would be foolish to break from the Union but it is not my decision to make.

Unusually, I am in complete agreement with you.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Should read, are.

I can’t think of any other country on earth where viewing self-determination as a positive thing would be considered “strange”. It might not be for everyone for historic, ideological or cultural reasons but it’s actually quite normal.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

SNP humiliation as Sturgeon ABANDONS major independence project - report obliterates hopes

THE SNP has ditched plans to publish an "annual economic case for independence", with pro-union campaigners claiming the UK is "more valuable than ever" to Scotland.

The Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (GERS) publication highlights how much the country raises in taxes compared to how much it spends on public services.

The report showed report showed Scotland’s national deficit was 8.6 percent of GDP in 2019/20, as public spending north of the border outstripped tax revenues by £15.1billion.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...economy-latest

Why did it take so long for her to recognise this? I'm glad she took the points I made on the lack of an economic argument to heart!

Jfman still has to get there yet, and I'm not hopeful.

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Originally Posted by jfman

I can’t think of any other country on earth where viewing self-determination as a positive thing would be considered “strange”. It might not be for everyone for historic, ideological or cultural reasons but it’s actually quite normal.

It is strange if it is a ruinous ambition.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It is strange if it is a ruinous ambition.

Originally Posted by jfman

I see GERS also decided that Scotland would pay £3.4bn in military spending.

Need to fabricate the figures somehow I guess.

Yup. It’s almost as if Sturgeon would prefer the whole indymince thing to go away for a few more years isn’t it.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It is strange if it is a ruinous ambition.

As with Brexit, models suggest that economic performance for Scotland would be worse outside the UK, but not ruinous. And just as with Brexit, some value other, non-economic factors highly...so don't mind taking a hit in their wallets.

[pip08456]

I had to laugh and relate the following to this thread. Just my warped sense of humour.

For over six years, one Wikipedia user -- AmaryllisGardener -- has written well over 23,000 articles on the Scots Wikipedia and done well over 200,000 edits. The only problem is that AmaryllisGardener isn't Scottish, they don't speak Scots, and none of their articles are written in Scots. From a report:
Since 2013, this user -- a self-professed Christian INTP furry living somewhere in North Carolina -- has simply written articles that are written in English, riddled with misspellings that mimic a spoken Scottish accent. Many of the articles were written while they were a teenager. AmaryllisGardener is an admin of the Scots Wikipedia, and Wikipedians now have no idea what to do, because their influence over the country's pages has been so vast that their only options seem to be to delete the Scots language version entirely or revert the entire thing back to 2012. This ridiculous situation was discovered by a redditor on r/Scotland who happened to check the edit history of one article. By the redditor u/Ultach's count, Amaryllis was responsible for well over one-third of Scots Wikipedia in 2018, but Amaryllis stopped updating their milestones that year.

Link

Och, naw!

[jfman]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

As with Brexit, models suggest that economic performance for Scotland would be worse outside the UK, but not ruinous. And just as with Brexit, some value other, non-economic factors highly...so don't mind taking a hit in their wallets.

If I’m certain of anything it’s that, despite UK Government claims, Scotland wouldn’t have the third highest per capita military spending in the world behind the USA and Israel.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jfman

If I’m certain of anything it’s that, despite UK Government claims, Scotland wouldn’t have the third highest per capita military spending in the world behind the USA and Israel.

Can't spend what they haven't got.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Can't spend what they haven't got.

but . . isn't that exactly what all Governments do?


oh, and plenty of households too

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Carth

but . . isn't that exactly what all Governments do?


oh, and plenty of households too

Not in our household thank you very much as everything gets budgeted for.