Brexit

Originally Posted by jfman

You are making the false assumption that is the only reason anyone would vote for them. Labour have a commitment to a second referendum if they can’t force a general election so can the People’s Vote campaign claim them?

Wrong wrong wrong - Labour have a policy of honouring the referendum - I repeat that this is why Labour support went to Lib Democrats.

You are still LYING - pack it in - I have made no false assumption - the data is there - the UK still wants to leave the EU - nothing you say changes this, so stop lying!!!

Originally Posted by jfman

So many elections you don’t believe they’d vote for it in a second referendum.

Yawn - clutching at straws with your you want a second referendum mantra, that leave would easily win again based on last nights results, that's why the country doesn't want one.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

If you look at the wording in the article (don’t have link to hand but will dig out) it’s comparing those who advocate a ‘hard Brexit’ vs remain so whilst your data is correct in total it also shows that in direct comparison between leaving with no deal and remaining, remain holds the advantage (at the moment)

Remain voters do not have the advantage over leave voters, though, do they?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

Wrong wrong wrong - Labour have a policy of honouring the referendum - I repeat that this is why Labour support went to Lib Democrats.

You are still LYING - pack it in - I have made no false assumption - the data is there - the UK still wants to leave the EU - nothing you say changes this, so stop lying!!!

Yawn - clutching at straws with your you want a second referendum mantra, that leave would easily win again based on last nights results, that's why the country doesn't want one.

You don’t want one because you know you’d lose. That doesn’t equate to the country not wanting one.

The data is there you are either unable or unwilling to interpret it in a constructive or meaningful way. Which is fine. But it’s completely disingenuous to call another person a liar while misrepresenting Labour Party policy to suit your agenda.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

On overall vote share remain vs above wins that cannot be denied there is no mandate whatsoever for no deal

So we get back to the same position as before neither of the main parties want to pin their colours to the mast for fear of alienating voters

The Brexit part I doubt will take a significant share of the vote in a GE

Which leaves BRINO which neither side wants or a 2nd referendum

If the politicians won’t decide the people must a 2nd referendum containing two options

Leave immediately with no deal
Remain

It’s time to shit or get off the pot. The paralysis cannot continue

I am sorry (well actually I am not) but this is just not accurate - Remain did not win above leave - Remain has lost 2 elections and a referendum now, when will "some" of you Remainers wake up and accept the Democratic result of 2016, 2017 and now 2019?!?!?!?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Remain voters do not have the advatage over leave voters, though, do they?

There’s no way of applying that result to the future referendum. 34 million people voted in the last referendum, many of whom didn’t vote last Thursday but undoubtedly would next time.

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Originally Posted by Mick

I am sorry (well actually I am not) but this is just not accurate - Remain did not win above leave - Remain has lost 2 elections and a referendum now, when will "some" of you Remainers wake up and accept the Democratic result of 2016, 2017 and now 2019?!?!?!?

When leave wins the next referendum.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

You don’t want one because you know you’d lose. That doesn’t equate to the country not wanting one.

The data is there you are either unable or unwilling to interpret it in a constructive or meaningful way. Which is fine. But it’s completely disingenuous to call another person a liar while misrepresenting Labour Party policy to suit your agenda.

The data is there, and it shows the leave won. You've lost again, jfman, and cannot bring yourself to admit it.

Keep chewing, mate, but eventually, you have to swallow.

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Originally Posted by jfman

There’s no way of applying that result to the future referendum. 34 million people voted in the last referendum, many of whom didn’t vote last Thursday but undoubtedly would next time.

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When leave wins the next referendum.

So much speculation. So little in the way of facts.

Leave won.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The data is there, and it shows the leave won. You've lost again, jfman, and cannot bring yourself to admit it.

Keep chewing, mate, but eventually, you have to swallow.

It doesn’t show that at all, you are clearly aware of this hence remain unable to present a viable argument.

Remain only has to win once, all the leave victories so far haven’t done it any good.

Originally Posted by jfman

You don’t want one because you know you’d lose. That doesn’t equate to the country not wanting one.

The data is there you are either unable or unwilling to interpret it in a constructive or meaningful way. Which is fine. But it’s completely disingenuous to call another person a liar while misrepresenting Labour Party policy to suit your agenda.

I am not misrepresenting Labour Party Policy - they ran on honouring the result of the referendum and doing a deal with the tories - You are a liar.

I am very capable of reading and interpreting data, some one links to a piss poor image, who conveniently misses the Tories out of the % total when it campaigned on a leave ticket - gimme a break.

Remain did not win last night, this is a fact - Strong party for Remain, that's the Lib Dems lost out big time vs. Brexit Party. They are the victors and the country does not want to remain in the EU - also a fact*.

* Data based on 2016 Referendum result, 2017 Election Result and now 2019 EU Elections result.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The data is there, and it shows the leave won. You've lost again, jfman, and cannot bring yourself to admit it.

Keep chewing, mate, but eventually, you have to swallow.

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So much speculation. So little in the way of facts.

Leave won.

Fact: 34 million people voted in the referendum
Fact: less voted last Thursday
Fact: there’s no way of knowing what those who didn’t would do next time out.

Originally Posted by jfman

There’s no way of applying that result to the future referendum. 34 million people voted in the last referendum, many of whom didn’t vote last Thursday but undoubtedly would next time.

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When leave wins the next referendum.

Wrong - there will not be another referendum so stop going on about it FFS.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

I am not misrepresenting Labour Party Policy - they ran on honouring the result of the referendum and doing a deal with the tories - You are a liar.

I am very capable of reading and interpreting data, some one links to a piss poor image, who conveniently misses the Tories out of the % total when it campaigned on a leave ticket - gimme a break.

Remain did not win last night, this is a fact - Strong party for Remain, that's the Lib Dems lost out big time vs. Brexit Party. They are the victors and the country does not want to remain in the EU - also a fact*.

* Data based on 2016 Referendum result, 2017 Election Result and now 2019 EU Elections result.

So where does the second referendum come into Labour Party policy, as agreed by the party conference? Why are you ignoring that inconvenient truth?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

It doesn’t show that at all, you are clearly aware of this hence remain unable to present a viable argument.

Remain only has to win once, all the leave victories so far haven’t done it any good.

That's because you wrongly attribute Conservative and Labour voters as being something they are not. Why would remainers vote for a party standing on a Brexit manifesto instead of voting, say, Liberal Democrat at the EU elections?

Your interpretation makes no sense.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

Wrong - there will not be another referendum so stop going on about it FFS.

Mark my words. It’s the only way Labour and the Tories get to save face. I thought you’d welcome a further opportunity for this country to clearly demonstrate it wants to leave? After all we’ve done it so many times.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Wrong - there will not be another referendum so stop going on about it FFS.

No it'll be a 'confirmatory vote'

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

So where does the second referendum come into Labour Party policy, as agreed by the party conference? Why are you ignoring that inconvenient truth?

We are talking about the Labour manifesto, not the conference that was held after the election.

In any case, if you assume that all those who voted Labour voted remain, which they did not, leave still won. Do the math.