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Old 08-03-2021, 20:22   #91
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Re: The future of television

Public service broadcasting may well be "under review".

That doesn't mean it will cease to exist. The discussion centres around how and where it's provisioned. Nobody is proposing to remove it from the millions of homes that can't get (or don't want) an expensive fibre broadband package.
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Old 08-03-2021, 20:38   #92
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Somebody, somewhere, has to pay for those programmes you download to be made, and Freesat is provided as a PSB by the BBC and ITV...

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People who want to sell advertising on streaming TV produce poll that shows it’s worth advertising on streaming TV...

But 18 million homes at the moment have the choice not to have any subscription - you want to take that choice away from them...
Loads of people on the forum watch TV on the US Timeline so have to "Pirate" it in some way or another. If I had not seen it posted about then I would not have said anything
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Old 08-03-2021, 21:08   #93
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This is because Parliament has determined that a well-funded national broadcaster is the best means of ensuring a guaranteed depth and breadth of quality programming.

It’s easy to assume that American style TV would be great for the UK given the quality of much the stuff that is imported here, however we only see a small fraction of what actually fills airtime in the USA and trust me, an average evening on an average channel on American TV is horrific. It’s dross, mostly cheap talking head news magazines and fairly constant commercial breaks.
Quite, but whatever, the Culture Secretary wants to convert the TV licence into a BBC subscription model, which surely is why we are having this debate.

I’m sure that the last thing we want is to follow the path of American TV, but we have better options than that.

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Public service broadcasting may well be "under review".

That doesn't mean it will cease to exist. The discussion centres around how and where it's provisioned. Nobody is proposing to remove it from the millions of homes that can't get (or don't want) an expensive fibre broadband package.
I don’t think PSB will be abolished, but I think it will be redefined and funded differently.
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This is where the fine distinction between a subscription and a licence comes in.

You need a licence to operate equipment that receives TV broadcasts. That definition has been fudged slightly so that for IP delivery, you only need the licence to use iPlayer to view programmes as broadcast. You don't need the licence for other IP players and you don't need it to view BBC content stored in the iPlayer for catch up viewing.

Further, unlike a subscription, paying the licence fee does not create a contractual obligation between you and the BBC. If you pay Sky for service and they don't provide it, you have redress under the Sale of Goods Act. If you buy a TV licence and then find, for whatever reason, you can't receive BBC transmissions, then you have no redress at all.

The fact that the BBC is the organisation that collects and spends the licence fee is what leads to the false comparisons with TV companies that operate via subscription. But to make that comparison is to fail to understand the legal distinctions that have been made. These may seem esoteric but they're actually very important for understanding where we are, and the very real legislative issues that will need to be overcome if in future we're going to opt for something else.
You do now, they changed this on 1/9/16.
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Old 08-03-2021, 21:28   #95
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Quite, but whatever, the Culture Secretary wants to convert the TV licence into a BBC subscription model, which surely is why we are having this debate.

I’m sure that the last thing we want is to follow the path of American TV, but we have better options than that.
He does. He is not the first Tory to want this. He will not be the last. However, unless and until defunding the BBC appears in the party’s election manifesto, it is just the musing of a right-wing MP. His position as Culture Secretary gives him a platform to promote his view but no more influence in making it happen than anyone else.

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I don’t think PSB will be abolished, but I think it will be redefined and funded differently.
I imagine this sounded really quite insightful inside your head. In practice it’s just the usual hot air.

Bearing in mind that there are six PSBs in the UK (BBC, ITV, STV, Channel 4, S4C, Five) and four of them are funded entirely by commercial operations, what is this ‘differently’ of which you speak? Public Service Broadcasting requires mass penetration in order to work commercially. S4C has proven that trying to do PSB on commercial terms exclusively for a niche audience doesn’t work - it has long required State support and has now almost fully transitioned from a mix of commercial revenue and direct State aid, to 100% license fee funding (as per Tory policy incidentally - the process will be complete in 2022).

What do you think PSB is and how might it be ‘redefined’? If you think it won’t be funded by commercial breaks in free-to-air programming, how will it be funded? And, if it is Tory policy to stop direct financial support for S4C and fund it out of the licence fee instead, what does that actually say about Tory policy towards the future of the TV licence?
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Loads of people on the forum watch TV on the US Timeline so have to "Pirate" it in some way or another. If I had not seen it posted about then I would not have said anything
It wasn’t a criticism of you (or anyone else) - I was just pointing out that someone, somewhere was paying for it, it’s not "free", and the Freesat isn’t "free" either.
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Re: The future of television

Saw it reported in a tweet this morning that 9.6 million people watched Line of Duty last night (BBC One, 9pm to 10pm).

Is this likely to be the total for the scheduled broadcast or will it count iPlayer views up to a cutoff?
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Old 25-03-2021, 10:02   #98
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TV licence here to 2038 in the absence of any other good ideas.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...d-bbc-2038-mps
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Re: The future of television

The licence fee isn't going anywhere till at least 2038. Our broadband isn't up to everyone streaming.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...e-say/#comment
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Britain is stuck with the licence fee until 2038 because the Government's failure to roll out super-fast broadband has left no viable alternative, MPs have concluded.

The Government's pledge to deliver full-fibre broadband to every home by 2025 was downgraded to a target of just 85 per cent in November.

A subscription-based, universal alternative to the licence fee would require all households to be online before the next BBC Charter is negotiated for 2028-38. That now appears all but impossible, according to a report by the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport select committee.

"It's clear that the BBC TV licence fee has a limited shelf life in a digital media landscape. However, the Government has missed the boat to reform it," said Julian Knight, the committee's chairman.

"Instead of coming up with a workable alternative, it has sealed its own fate through a failure to develop a broadband infrastructure that would allow serious consideration of other means to fund the BBC."

A recent report by Parliament's spending watchdog concluded that the 85 per cent target was unlikely to be met within five years.

The DCMS committee's report into the future of public service broadcasting said that "whilst the majority of people in the UK theoretically have access to a broadband connection which would enable them to access online TV services, there are still a significant number of households which do not".

It said there were "significant variations" in broadband coverage between rural and urban areas, and this was "not a problem that will be solved any time soon". According to Ofcom, around 190,000 homes do not have access to a "decent" broadband service.

Additionally, the committee heard from Virgin that a wholly internet-based television service would considerably increase the pressure on broadband networks and require significant investment into network capacity.
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TV licence here to 2038 in the absence of any other good ideas.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...d-bbc-2038-mps
No surprise with that decision.
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Didn't have you down as a Telegraph reader, Mr K.
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Didn't have you down as a Telegraph reader, Mr K.
I have full free access for some reason. It's some sort of cruel torture, although the sport is good
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No surprise with that decision.
I'm not sure this news will go down too well with one of our self-styled older members.
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I'm not sure this news will go down too well with one of our self-styled older members.
Just remember one view does not represent the majority view on a subject.
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