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Old 26-08-2020, 12:01   #3286
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Old Boy your seeming ignorance to Scottish politics knows no bounds. You continue to slur the SNP as 'left wing', you've dropped in a Venezuela reference just to cross another one off the bingo card.

It's unfortunately the fact you are so far to the right that you become apoplectic at the notion that the state more effectively carries out and funds some roles that private sector parasites drain as much profits as they can at unsustainable rates then come crawling back for corporate socialism.

Again I extent my invitation for you to come and share your ignorance with us next May.

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Again what the SNP would vote for in London doesn't represent the economics of an independent Scotland.

You can run an economy in the interests of London and the South East with outliers. You present it as a zero sum game - as always a simplistic and straightforward narrative that doesn't consider the scale of what you are taking about.
They were talking about taxation in an independent Scotland.From my previous link and quote.
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In the longer-distance are considerations over what taxation policy would look like in an independent Scotland. The May 2018 report of the SNP’s Sustainable Growth Commission was pitched as a reset to the economic case set out in the government’s 2014 White Paper on Scottish independence. The commission recommended a ‘comprehensive review’ of the Scottish taxation system after independence to improve the “simplicity, neutrality and flexibility” of the country’s future taxation arrangements. But it considered that the current revenues raised through tax were ‘sufficient at present’ to fund all devolved services plus welfare and pensions.
The commission also recommended a ‘careful’ assessment of the impact of business taxation on economic growth performance, with a recommendation that corporation tax levels remain on par with those of the rest of the UK. This particular recommendation was noteworthy at the time as it marked a significant departure from the SNP’s pre-2014 policy to reduce corporation tax levels as a means of attracting investment into an independent Scotland.
The "rest of the UK" bit, states that they ARE referring to Scotland only tax policies. Where is there ANY evidence that current official SNP policy is to reduce corporation tax? I can't find any, and you are not providing any evidence of your claims.

So did those Scots Blair, Brown, and Darling also disadvantage Scottish businesses? Any supposed "disadvantage" would also apply in the rest of London and the South East. The claim that inward investment is needed to solve the "problem", is admitting that the solution cannot come from existing businesses, and that new businesses are needed. That is not a sign that existing businesses are being hampered by London or anywhere else, except by Scotland itself.
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Old 26-08-2020, 12:09   #3287
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Nicola Sturgeon's dream to re-join EU brilliantly dismantled by ex-SNP Cabinet Secretary

"If Scotland were to be allowed into the EU, they would have to slash their current deficit of more than eight percent to less than three percent, laying waste to the public sector in Scotland which would quite simply no longer be able to exist.

"From eight percent to less than three percent is a very long way indeed.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-SNP-alex-neil
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Old 26-08-2020, 12:14   #3288
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

That’s a commission recommendation - not an official policy. You’re also, falsely, assuming that the SNP would govern an independent Scotland. The Scottish Conservative Party and Labour Party would equally have the opportunity to make different cases for a new tax system.

The recommendation wouldn’t stack up if you are all right about the financial sustainability of Scotland anyway, so they’d quickly need an innovative approach. You can’t simultaneously say they need solutions then dismiss their right to explore them.

And yes, I do believe that New Labour governed for London and the South East every bit as much as the Conservatives do.
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Old 26-08-2020, 12:16   #3289
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Scotland can't leave.

Nicola Sturgeon is currently running the UK and we'd be lost without her making the decisions....
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Old 26-08-2020, 12:25   #3290
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Scotland can't leave.

Nicola Sturgeon is currently running the UK and we'd be lost without her making the decisions....
I wouldn't let her run a bath.
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Old 26-08-2020, 12:28   #3291
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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I wouldn't let her run a bath.
She wouldn't be able to run a bath, withing 2 minutes of her incessant yapping the taps would turn themselves off
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Old 26-08-2020, 12:41   #3292
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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I wouldn't let her run a bath.
Boris would never be able to work out how the taps worked. Then he'd keep changing his mind about hot or cold.
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Old 26-08-2020, 13:00   #3293
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Thatís a commission recommendation - not an official policy. Youíre also, falsely, assuming that the SNP would govern an independent Scotland. The Scottish Conservative Party and Labour Party would equally have the opportunity to make different cases for a new tax system.

The recommendation wouldnít stack up if you are all right about the financial sustainability of Scotland anyway, so theyíd quickly need an innovative approach. You canít simultaneously say they need solutions then dismiss their right to explore them.

And yes, I do believe that New Labour governed for London and the South East every bit as much as the Conservatives do.
So the Scots would vote for independence AND the Conservatives.
Where on earth have I said they wouldn't have a right to choose?
Scotland has a higher GDP per person, than most of England. Only marginally lower than the East of England.
The whole of London, the South East, and East of England do not solely comprise of the "City".
The combined UK-wide turnovers of Google and Amazon don't even come close to covering the gap. That is an indication of the size of the revenue gap. You only tax a portion of any GDP, so the extra GDP required is several times that. Eg if the deficit is 7% of GDP, then you need an increase in GDP well into double figures.
Still no sign of any evidence that the SNP have a policy where corporation tax might be reduced below that of the UK.
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Old 26-08-2020, 13:22   #3294
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Sir Kier would be concerned about treating the hot and cold taps equally and would demand one of those dual taps in the name of diversity.

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So the Scots would vote for independence AND the Conservatives.
Where on earth have I said they wouldn't have a right to choose?
Scotland has a higher GDP per person, than most of England. Only marginally lower than the East of England.
The whole of London, the South East, and East of England do not solely comprise of the "City".
The combined UK-wide turnovers of Google and Amazon don't even come close to covering the gap. That is an indication of the size of the revenue gap. You only tax a portion of any GDP, so the extra GDP required is several times that. Eg if the deficit is 7% of GDP, then you need an increase in GDP well into double figures.
Still no sign of any evidence that the SNP have a policy where corporation tax might be reduced below that of the UK.
He's not listening, mate, he just wants to argue. I'm done with this, personally.
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Old 26-08-2020, 13:25   #3295
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And yes, I do believe that New Labour governed for London and the South East every bit as much as the Conservatives do.
If the Conservatives governed for London, we would still be in the EU.
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If the Conservatives governed for London, we would still be in the EU.
. . . and everywhere outside the confines of the M25 would be a desolate wasteland
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Old 26-08-2020, 13:49   #3297
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Latest GERS report out now.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/go...-gers-2019-20/

It finds Scotlandís notional deficit, including a geographic share of North Sea oil and gas revenues, has risen by 1.2 points to 8.6%.
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Old 26-08-2020, 13:55   #3298
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I see GERS also decided that Scotland would pay £3.4bn in military spending.

Need to fabricate the figures somehow I guess.

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So the Scots would vote for independence AND the Conservatives.
Where on earth have I said they wouldn't have a right to choose?
Scotland has a higher GDP per person, than most of England. Only marginally lower than the East of England.
The whole of London, the South East, and East of England do not solely comprise of the "City".
The combined UK-wide turnovers of Google and Amazon don't even come close to covering the gap. That is an indication of the size of the revenue gap. You only tax a portion of any GDP, so the extra GDP required is several times that. Eg if the deficit is 7% of GDP, then you need an increase in GDP well into double figures.
Still no sign of any evidence that the SNP have a policy where corporation tax might be reduced below that of the UK.
Once again youíre trying to attribute the impact on the entire economy to one or two companies. Not entirely sure thatís how itíd work. Nobody has said what the SNP policy for an independent Scotland would be because itís not relevant to my argument.

Right wing people have warned against public spending because of capital flight through tax rises. The reverse of this is encouraging investment by lowering tax - something now suddenly doesnít work for Scotland. Just be open about the fact you are skewing the facts to suit your ideology/agenda - just as Old Boy does.

I get that England fears an independent Scotland. I would too if I were English, however Iím not so can only look at things objectively from where I sit here in Scotland.
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Old 26-08-2020, 14:06   #3299
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

I'm English and I certainly don't fear an independent Scotland. I think they would be foolish to break from the Union but it is not my decision to make.
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I'm English and I certainly don't fear an independent Scotland. I think they would be foolish to break from the Union but it is not my decision to make.
That's generally the attitude I'd expect if all that is claimed were true. England will be better off anyway (allegedly). I'd simply bid Scotland farewell and with them good luck if that were true.

However there's this underlying thing that seems to get the juices going among some British nationalists that it's something for them to massively fear. I'm keen to scratch the surface of it because if it were straightforward economics, and the English national interest, it'd be see you later.
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