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Old 21-11-2014, 22:46   #2536
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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David Cameron just said on TV, with regard to losing Rochester by-election

"If you don't win something, it doesn't mean you should just give up and not continue to fight for something you believe in"

Dave, remember the Referendum and how you tell us all to get back in the box and accept the result.

Double standards or what!
Not really. Continuing to fight to win seats in Parliament implies acceptance of the agreed five year schedule of elections. Continuing to fight for Scotland to leave the UK, on the other hand, has no constitutional basis. All we have to go on there is the SNP's white paper, which called the 2014 referendum a once in a lifetime event, and the words of Alex Salmond, who expressed similar sentiments only a week before the vote.

Everyone who voted in Rochester understood that they were electing an MP only until next May. Everyone who voted in Scotland in September understood that they were voting in a once in a generation, if not once in a lifetime, referendum on the nation's constitutional status.

It's only the duplicitous Nats who have spent almost every day since then, trying to find excuses to wriggle out of a commitment they made when they thought they wouldn't have to honour it.
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Old 21-11-2014, 23:41   #2537
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Not really. Continuing to fight to win seats in Parliament implies acceptance of the agreed five year schedule of elections. Continuing to fight for Scotland to leave the UK, on the other hand, has no constitutional basis. All we have to go on there is the SNP's white paper, which called the 2014 referendum a once in a lifetime event, and the words of Alex Salmond, who expressed similar sentiments only a week before the vote.
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Old 21-11-2014, 23:49   #2538
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Meanwhile.

"Scotland is to get a new newspaper, the National, which will be the first Scottish daily to support independence."
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Old 22-11-2014, 10:26   #2539
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Meanwhile.

"Newsquest is going to repackage its existing Glasgow daily output under a pro-independence masthead, to see if any of the Nats who've been boycotting the Herald since it came out for No are dull-witted enough to be taken in."
Fixed that for you.
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Old 03-12-2014, 09:23   #2541
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Looks like the SNP are going back to their roots by holding public rallies that glorify the leader and burning books they don't agree with.

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A video showing SNP councillors burning a copy of the Smith Commission report on more powers for Scotland has been branded "offensive" and "disgusting".
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Old 03-12-2014, 09:34   #2542
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Seems that the SNPs spending policies after independence would have been in tatters with the slump in oil prices:

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Alistair Carmichael, UK secretary of state for Scotland, said Treasury analysis showed the fall in the oil price to $82 a barrel, if maintained, would mean revenues £8.7bn lower than forecast by the Scottish government for the three years from 2016 to 2018.

The lowest oil price included in Scottish government oil revenue forecasts issued in May was $99 a barrel in 2016-17, with most of the SNP administration’s scenarios based on a price of $110.

“Had Scotland been independent today, the Scottish government would have had billions less to spend on essential public services,” Mr Carmichael said in a statement.
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Seems that the SNPs spending policies after independence would have been in tatters with the slump in oil prices:



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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Seems that the SNPs spending policies after independence would have been in tatters with the slump in oil prices
Sshhhh! The oil was only ever a bonus / would have recovered by the independence date / people would have paid more coz its Scottish oil / MI5 are manipulating the markets.

There, that's all the yes camps arguments. Choose whichever one you want.
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Just out of interest I wonder how well 'Scottish petrol' would sell if it were marketed separately and priced higher. Notwithstanding the vast amount of tax already levied on petrol, would people freely pay more in order to further support their state?
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Seems that the SNPs spending policies after independence would have been in tatters with the slump in oil prices:



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“Had Scotland been independent today, the Scottish government would have had billions less to spend on essential public services,”

Indeed, and it would have had billions less at a time when it would have needed to spend extra to set up infrastructure to replace that lost when the various uk government ministries pulled out..
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Indeed, and it would have had billions less at a time when it would have needed to spend extra to set up infrastructure to replace that lost when the various uk government ministries pulled out..
Obviously it's all a big conspiracy. Dave has called in a favour with the House of Saud, and they've flooded the market with cheap crude just to put one over the Nats.
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Obviously it's all a big conspiracy. Dave has called in a favour with the House of Saud, and they've flooded the market with cheap crude just to put one over the Nats.
This is actually what the Russians believe. Their economy is tanking due to the combination of Western (do you capitalise 'Western'?) sanctions and low oil prices and they believe the latter is a political decision from OPEC who aren't, yet, restricting the supply.
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This is actually what the Russians believe. Their economy is tanking due to the combination of Western (do you capitalise 'Western'?) sanctions and low oil prices and they believe the latter is a political decision from OPEC who aren't, yet, restricting the supply.
It would be worth your while reading this handy piece of analysis:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-30289546

What they actually seem interested in, is putting a big dent in the budgets in both Tehran and Moscow, but it's Saudi Arabia specifically, rather than the whole of Opec, that's behind it.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30525539

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The UK's oil industry is in "crisis" as prices drop, a senior industry leader has told the BBC.
Oil companies and service providers are cutting staff and investment to save money.
Robin Allan, chairman of the independent explorers' association Brindex, told the BBC that the industry was "close to collapse".
Things are looking grim..
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