Brexit (Old)

Originally Posted by jfman

If any of that stands up leave will win at a canter. In which case I don’t know what everyone is worried about.

Because, that result will ALSO not be respected by you lot and you will want a third, fourth... until you get the result you want, as will the corrupted EU, because it's exactly their Modus Operandi!

[Mr K]

The tide is turning, rapidly.... Even her own ministers seem to be ignoring TM now.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...nd-referendum/

Brexit latest news: Greg Clark refuses to rule out a second referendum as Amber Rudd says that 'nothing should be off the table'

Greg Clark has refused to rule out calling a second referendum as he backed giving MPs a series of indicative votes on Brexit in the event that Theresa May’s deal is rejected by Parliament.

The Business Secretary has become the latest Cabinet Minister to endorse calls for Parliament to express its preference of what should happen if the draft withdrawal agreement is rejected.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

I think your evidence evaluation and weighing skills are operating at a sub-optimal level.

So why do you think we should have another referendum then?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

The tide is turning, rapidly.... Even her own ministers seem to be ignoring TM now.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...nd-referendum/

Personally l don't think there should be a second referendum as we have already had one but politicians are not noted for their sincere honesty but more for their repeated mendacity as we have seen in these past two years plus so nothing would surprise me at all.

Originally Posted by Mr K

The tide is turning, rapidly.... Even her own ministers seem to be ignoring TM now.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...nd-referendum/

The tide is not turning at all.

I have been looking at the official Downing Street Petitions and the the map of the areas where people have signed certain Petitions.

The Petition: Of Rescinding Article 50, if Vote Leave broke election laws:

Map:



The people who signed the above petitions are more than likely to be Staunch Remainers, not accepting the result of the first Referendum...

Now look at the map of the Petition of Leaving the EU without a deal on March 29th...



A picture or picture(s) says a 1000 words. Just look at those deep reds in the same places as last time who heavily voted to leave!!!

People have NOT changed their minds at all. The tide is NOT changing. The Leave EU without a deal petition has had NO TV Airtime, and is nearly at 200K signatures, it's gone up over 100,000 since the weekend.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

Because, that result will ALSO not be respected by you lot and you will want a third, fourth... until you get the result you want, as will the corrupted EU, because it's exactly their Modus Operandi!

All of the arguments fall after a second referendum that leave wins. Boris and his bus, Aaron Banks and his money, all ancient history.

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Originally Posted by Mick

The tide is not turning at all.

I have been looking at the official Downing Street Petitions and the the map of the areas where people have signed certain Petitions.

The Petition: Of Rescinding Article 50, if Vote Leave broke election laws:

Map:



The people who signed the above petitions are more than likely to be Staunch Remainers, not accepting the result of the first Referendum...

Now look at the map of the Petition of Leaving the EU without a deal on March 29th...



A picture or picture(s) says a 1000 words. Just look at those deep reds in the same places as last time who heavily voted to leave!!!

People have NOT changed their minds at all. The tide is NOT changing. The Leave EU without a deal petition has had NO TV Airtime, and is nearly at 200K signatures, it's gone up over 100,000 since the weekend.

Neither of those are meaningful indicators of anything at all.

[Carth]

I certainly don't see a 'change of heart' in my area, what I do see though, is a growing animosity towards the Government that won't deliver the goods.

I guess it's different in other areas, but out means out here.

Originally Posted by jfman

All of the arguments fall after a second referendum that leave wins. Boris and his bus, Aaron Banks and his money, all ancient history.

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Neither of those are meaningful indicators of anything at all.

Yes they bloody well are.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by jfman

All of the arguments fall after a second referendum that leave wins. Boris and his bus, Aaron Banks and his money, all ancient history.

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Neither of those are meaningful indicators of anything at all.

Nice bit of GIS mapwork though ! From a professional point of view I approve

Interesting some dismiss petitions they don't like but single out those they do ! The 'final say' petition dwarfs them all with over a million signatures.
https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may...on-brexit-deal

[jfman]

The problem with petitions is that the social media echo chambers, on issues of national important, easily create tens of thousands/hundreds of thousands of signatures.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Nice bit of GIS mapwork though ! From a professional point of view I approve

Interesting some dismiss petitions they don't like but single out those they do ! The 'final say' petition dwarfs them all with over a million signatures.
https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may...on-brexit-deal

And 17.4 Million dwarfs anything else you lot can muster up.

This pissing up the wall contest you will never win - leave won - so leave we must. Lets get on with leaving and stop trying to kill democracy with endless voting to overturn the one prior to it.

LMFAO at Piers Morgans response to Staunch Remainer, Alastair Campbell the WMD spin doctor.

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/stat...79223648591874

Alastair says:

Originally Posted by Alastair Campbell

Yes let’s crash the economy and make the poor poorer and U.K. less relevant because Juncker ruffles hair and feathers, and let’s trust the people who have delivered this car crash to drive us over the cliff. Get a grip

Piers takes the clown down with the following response:

Originally Posted by Piers Morgan

You assured me Saddam had WMD, that it would be a ‘disaster’ if we didn’t join the Euro, and there would be instant recession within weeks of a Leave vote. Forgive me if I don’t entirely trust Mystic Al & your latest predictions.

well said Piers, shut that lying weasel up, btw Piers is a Remainer!!!

Originally Posted by Mick

The tide is not turning at all.

I have been looking at the official Downing Street Petitions and the the map of the areas where people have signed certain Petitions.

The Petition: Of Rescinding Article 50, if Vote Leave broke election laws:

Map:



The people who signed the above petitions are more than likely to be Staunch Remainers, not accepting the result of the first Referendum...

Now look at the map of the Petition of Leaving the EU without a deal on March 29th...



A picture or picture(s) says a 1000 words. Just look at those deep reds in the same places as last time who heavily voted to leave!!!

People have NOT changed their minds at all. The tide is NOT changing. The Leave EU without a deal petition has had NO TV Airtime, and is nearly at 200K signatures, it's gone up over 100,000 since the weekend.

The colours are for different scales on each map - on the leave map the scales are



and on the Rescind Article 50 map they are

Originally Posted by jfman

The problem with petitions is that the social media echo chambers, on issues of national important, easily create tens of thousands/hundreds of thousands of signatures.

Which is exactly why I chose the ones I highlighted above - they are the opposite of each other.

The difference in the deep reds says it all - people have not changed their minds. It's just a pathetic fallacy by Remainers in Parliament trying to get another divisive Referendum.

[techguyone]

Shamelessly copied from another forum, but I liked it and agree with it.

The population have been asked and have given an answer. To return again and ask the same question phrased slightly differently is an implicit request for a different answer. If you didn't like the answer from the first one, why ask it in the first place? What do you do if you get another answer you don't like? Keep asking? Then it's not a question at all, it's an instruction. If it's an instruction it's not a referendum.

It seems to me we are being led by a parliament who don't agree with the decision the public made. They are now trying very hard to make a Brexit sound impossible without catastrophe. Ignoring the questionable factualness of that statement, it's incredibly arrogant and disrespectful to ask the voters a question, then ignore their instruction because you don't like it.

If, and it is an if, a hard Brexit takes place and creates a catastrophe, so be it. That's what the electorate voted for, an exit. If it ends in tears, we can only blame ourselves. We weren't promised a clean exit or a special deal, we were simply promised an exit, however that happens.

To come back now and say, having created an utter dogs dinner of the exit, "erm, you obviously didn't know what you voting for last time, please change your mind", to escape from said dogs dinner, is lunacy.

[jfman]

You know what they says Hugh.

Lies, damned lies and statistics.