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Old 15-12-2022, 14:26   #616
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Re: The future of television

So the important point is that if a programme is scheduled on a "channel" at Wednesday, 9pm, and you dont watch it at 9pm on Wednesday, you have missed it (unless its scheduled to be repeated at some other time). Also, it doesnt matter how its delivered, just the fixed timing ?
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So the important point is that if a programme is scheduled on a "channel" at Wednesday, 9pm, and you dont watch it at 9pm on Wednesday, you have missed it (unless its scheduled to be repeated at some other time). Also, it doesnt matter how its delivered, just the fixed timing ?
If you donít watch it at 9pm on Wednesday you can use your PVR, or catch up stream if it exists Ö whatís important is that the TV station organises a broadcast schedule. It doesnít matter how itís broadcast - the BBC One IP stream accessed via iPlayer is still a linear TV channel, showing the news, then the One Show, followed by ĎEnders and whatever else, and even though you can select stuff on demand from the same app.

The two key questions this and similar threads have tried to address over the years are:

1. Will traditional broadcast over satellite and terrestrial eventually be shut down in favour of exclusively IP delivery?
2. Will IP delivered content be scheduled, on demand, or a mixture of both?
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Thatís the point most of have been making for the last seven years - things change, so making dogmatic predictions that things will come about by a certain date is "brave*" and "courageous*".

And, tbf, some of your recent predictions proved to be not congruent with actualityÖ


*as in "Yes, Minister"
So, on this forum, nobody wants to discuss what might happen in the future. OK, message received, over and out.

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If you donít watch it at 9pm on Wednesday you can use your PVR, or catch up stream if it exists Ö whatís important is that the TV station organises a broadcast schedule. It doesnít matter how itís broadcast - the BBC One IP stream accessed via iPlayer is still a linear TV channel, showing the news, then the One Show, followed by ĎEnders and whatever else, and even though you can select stuff on demand from the same app.

The two key questions this and similar threads have tried to address over the years are:

1. Will traditional broadcast over satellite and terrestrial eventually be shut down in favour of exclusively IP delivery?
2. Will IP delivered content be scheduled, on demand, or a mixture of both?
Questions that no-one on this forum seems to want the answer to, or even discuss properly, except to insist nothing will change. This is despite the changes along that road fitting pretty well with a prediction I made seven years ago now, when forum members thought the whole idea of on demand viewing becoming a preferred means of watching TV in the future was nonsense and couldnít be supported anyway due to a lack of electricity.

Those comments seem rather silly now, but there you are. Wallow in the past and present if you want to, but I like to look at what may be coming down the road.

I am perfectly aware of the fact that FAST channels are linear channels (I never said they were not) - what I am saying is that I believe the main channels on our EPGís will be grouped under one brand in future and will be available on demand only. Iím at a loss as to why some people cannot grasp that simple concept. Instead, people are obsessing over whether a method of delivery is linear or not (etc, etc) and conflating what I have said into something completely different.

Is it so difficult to grasp the concept of EPG channels being on demand only, with content accessed by category rather than channel? In the end, that is all I am saying. FAST channels may or may not survive in the long term and I have not formed a firm view on whether they will survive or whether this is just a transitional phenomenon.

Anyway, enough. If all people want to do is argue and ridicule, I guess itís pretty pointless trying to explain it any further. Only the passage of time will confirm what will happen. Iíve told you what I think. Make of it what you will.

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So the important point is that if a programme is scheduled on a "channel" at Wednesday, 9pm, and you dont watch it at 9pm on Wednesday, you have missed it (unless its scheduled to be repeated at some other time). Also, it doesnt matter how its delivered, just the fixed timing ?
Yes, basically, but I would add that you can also record it.

It most certainly doesnít really matter how content is delivered. All I have done is to say how I believe it will be delivered in the future.
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So, on this forum, nobody wants to discuss what might happen in the future. OK, message received, over and out.
Weíre happy to discuss possible futures, options, differences of opinions in what might happen in this (and other) areas.

Unfortunately, on this topic, youíre not - youíve not just drawn a line in the sand about the future of linear programming, youíve dug a 50 foot ditch, filled it with water and sharks, put minefields, barbed wire fences, and machine-gun towers either side of the ditch, then played loud music over the speakers on the towers so as not to be influenced by anything anyone else contributesÖ
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Scheduled linear television over the internet is a new phenomenon???
I didn’t say that. What is new is the variation of ‘themed’ FAST channels such as those listed on Pluto TV. And yes, these are linear channels over the internet, but that is not what I have been referring to in my prediction. My focus is the existing EPG channels.

But you know that.

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We’re happy to discuss possible futures, options, differences of opinions in what might happen in this (and other) areas.

Unfortunately, on this topic, you’re not - you’ve not just drawn a line in the sand about the future of linear programming, you’ve dug a 50 foot ditch, filled it with water and sharks, put minefields, barbed wire fences, and machine-gun towers either side of the ditch, then played loud music over the speakers on the towers so as not to be influenced by anything anyone else contributes…
I’m trying to have a discussion, but nobody seems to want to discuss it. The whole idea is anathema to you guys!

I have answered all the relevant points that have been put to me but it’s as if I haven’t said anything, and the constant repetition of what I am supposed to have said when I have repeated time and again that is untrue, shows that people on here are not listening.
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I didnít say that. What is new is the variation of Ďthemedí FAST channels such as those listed on Pluto TV. And yes, these are linear channels over the internet, but that is not what Ihave been referring to in my prediction. My focus is the existing EPG channels.

But you know that.

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Iím trying to have a discussion, but nobody seems to want to discuss it. The whole idea is anathema to you guys!

I have answered all the relevant points that have been put to me but itís as if I havenít said anything, and the constant repetition of what I am supposed to have said when I have repeated time and again that is untrue, shows that people on here are not listening.
You seem to be having some serious difficulty with the concept of people disagreeing with you.
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1. Will traditional broadcast over satellite and terrestrial eventually be shut down in favour of exclusively IP delivery?
2. Will IP delivered content be scheduled, on demand, or a mixture of both?
1. Not in our lifetimes, in the distant future, perhaps.
2. I think a mixture of both, for a very long time yet.

The difference between "scheduled+pvr" and "on-demand" is pretty much none.

In both cases, it has an initial release time, but can be watched "on-demand".
My wife watches all her shows like this, the sky box records them, she watches them when she is ready, sometimes weeks later.
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What I am saying is that linear channels will become much less popular with time and that broadcasters will conclude that there is no point in continuing with them as programmes are far more accessible on demand. When all broadcasting goes to IPTV, the natural conclusion broadcasters are likely to make is that this is the appropriate time to change for the future.
My definition of a linear channel has always been clear.

A sequence of continuous programming where everyone watching that channel (or stream) is watching the exact same thing at the same time according to what the broadcaster sends out. It’s completely agnostic to the method of delivery.

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My definition of a linear channel has always been clear.

A sequence of continuous programming where everyone watching that channel (or stream) is watching the exact same thing at the same time according to what the broadcaster sends out. Itís completely agnostic to the method of delivery.
On that, we agree. But that was never in dispute.
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I didnít say that. What is new is the variation of Ďthemedí FAST channels such as those listed on Pluto TV. And yes, these are linear channels over the internet, but that is not what Ihave been referring to in my prediction. My focus is the existing EPG channels.

But you know that.

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Iím trying to have a discussion, but nobody seems to want to discuss it. The whole idea is anathema to you guys!

I have answered all the relevant points that have been put to me but itís as if I havenít said anything, and the constant repetition of what I am supposed to have said when I have repeated time and again that is untrue, shows that people on here are not listening.
Streaming is just too flaky OB. It's at the mercy of over subscription or being 'offline'. Mine was down for a couple of days last week. Without my beautiful aerial I'd have missed the England quarter final ( mind you that might not have been a bad thing).

At a time of national emergency we're going to be reliant on terrestrial broadcasts. All Putin has to do is hack our BB networks, something he's quite good at...
Tv isnt just for entertainment it's a public service, which needs more than one delivery medium to reach all.
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Streaming is just too flaky OB. It's at the mercy of over subscription or being 'offline'. Mine was down for a couple of days last week. Without my beautiful aerial I'd have missed the England quarter final ( mind you that might not have been a bad thing).

At a time of national emergency we're going to be reliant on terrestrial broadcasts. All Putin has to do is hack our BB networks, something he's quite good at...
Tv isnt just for entertainment it's a public service, which needs more than one delivery medium to reach all.
I agree, there are indeed problems and concerns that still need to be ironed out. And yet broadcasters are ramping up their desire on get people to stream, hence the Ďdigital firstí strategy.

Personally, I think these problems should be addressed before any switch off, but politicians are notoriously blind when it comes to planning for the future. Hence, they make decisions like turning off our access to fossil fuels before sufficient green energy is available to replace it.

Similarly, following any decision made to switch off the transmitters for TV broadcasting, they will not have resolved the legitimate issues you raise.
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What I am saying is that linear channels will become much less popular with time and that broadcasters will conclude that there is no point in continuing with them as programmes are far more accessible on demand. When all broadcasting goes to IPTV, the natural conclusion broadcasters are likely to make is that this is the appropriate time to change for the future.
My definition of a linear channel has always been clear.

A sequence of continuous programming where everyone watching that channel (or stream) is watching the exact same thing at the same time according to what the broadcaster sends out. Itís completely agnostic to the method of delivery.
Lest we forget, from just over two years agoÖ

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That doesnít make sense..

ĎLinear TVí is a list of scheduled programmes, where the viewer knows in advance what is on and when/where - the fact that some programmes are transmitted live and others are pre-recorded is irrelevant; itís the schedule/channel combo that makes them linear.

How the linear channels are delivered (DTT, cable, broadband, 5G, 6.5G, direct to the optic nerve) is irrelevant, itís the pre-agreed schedule/channel thatís relevant.

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Linear TV is live in the sense that we are watching it as it is being broadcast. Thatís why it is often described as Ďlive TVí.
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Lest we forget, from just over two years agoÖ

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The contradiction being? Itís just saying the same thing in a different way. Two cheeks of the same posterior.
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The contradiction being? Itís just saying the same thing in a different way. Two cheeks of the same posterior.


Linear TV definition

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The cheeks of your aforementioned posterior appear to be spread quite widely apartÖ
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In case you missed it, the media is describing scheduled TV as live TV.
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