Impeachment enquiry launched into Donald Trump
05-12-2019, 21:59
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Re: Impeachment enquiry launched into Donald Trump
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The Whistleblower(if they actually exist), is the only first hand witness out of handful of about dozen or so, all the current witnesses who have testified, who the Democrats have currently called for public hearings, are people who’ve heard a 2nd hand conversation. A conversation that even Ukraine’s own President said Trump did not do what he is being accused of. This is just a partisan hoax, the 2nd from the Democrats because their first one failed, in the form of Mueller.
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I think your definition of a first-hand witness differs from others. Yours is that the person must have been one of the people in the conversation. The usual one is someone who overhears the conversation, either in person or electronically like a bug or tapped phone.
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05-12-2019, 22:10
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Re: Impeachment enquiry launched into Donald Trump
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I think your definition of a first-hand witness differs from others. Yours is that the person must have been one of the people in the conversation. The usual one is someone who overhears the conversation, either in person or electronically like a bug or tapped phone.
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FFS-It’s not hard this, read what I Just said. None of the Witnesses that have attended the hearings, are witnesses to the call, they’ve overheard a second hand conversation.
Regardless of who’s read what, heard what, this impeachment will fail in the Senate. The latest tweet from Senate Republicans suggest the Democrats have already lost this 2nd battle.
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06-12-2019, 07:35
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Re: Impeachment enquiry launched into Donald Trump
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FFS-It’s not hard this, read what I Just said. None of the Witnesses that have attended the hearings, are witnesses to the call, they’ve overheard a second hand conversation.
Regardless of who’s read what, heard what, this impeachment will fail in the Senate. The latest tweet from Senate Republicans suggest the Democrats have already lost this 2nd battle.
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All Trump's lies will be out there for the US public to see and hear though, regardless of what a partisan Senate decides. Trump is toast next year, but suspect he'll make a tactical withdrawal from the election through 'ill health'.
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06-12-2019, 09:50
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Re: Impeachment enquiry launched into Donald Trump
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All Trump's lies will be out there for the US public to see and hear though, regardless of what a partisan Senate decides. Trump is toast next year, but suspect he'll make a tactical withdrawal from the election through 'ill health'.
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They could be setting that excuse up, what with the recent "unscheduled" visit to a military hospital a few weeks back.
Of course, it could also mean he genuinely had reason to believe there is something wrong with his health as well. I don't think it was just a normal checkup, because the President's diary is booked months in advanced. I'd be surprised if those diary bookings didn't include scheduled checkups.
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06-12-2019, 10:50
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Re: Impeachment enquiry launched into Donald Trump
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All Trump's lies will be out there for the US public to see and hear though, regardless of what a partisan Senate decides. Trump is toast next year, but suspect he'll make a tactical withdrawal from the election through 'ill health'.
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Creepy Joe Biden is not doing well at the moment, he’s an utter joke, called a supporter at one of his small rallies yesterday, a slob and perhaps they should do press-ups together. All they asked was what all this Hunter Biden stuff was regarding gas company he was hired to work for in Ukraine. A few days ago, Biden was on about his hairy legs. He is an absolute stumbling wreck, half the time he cannot remember what State he’s in.
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06-12-2019, 11:10
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Re: Impeachment enquiry launched into Donald Trump
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Creepy Joe Biden is not doing well at the moment, he’s an utter joke, called a supporter at one of his small rallies yesterday, a slob and perhaps they should do press-ups together. All they asked was what all this Hunter Biden stuff was regarding gas company he was hired to work for in Ukraine. A few days ago, Biden was on about his hairy legs. He is an absolute stumbling wreck, half the time he cannot remember what State he’s in.
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it is a slight issue with the US system that in order to run for President you have to be a geriatric - Clinton was the only one to have any energy (too much )
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06-12-2019, 11:29
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Re: Impeachment enquiry launched into Donald Trump
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it is a slight issue with the US system that in order to run for President you have to be a geriatric - Clinton was the only one to have any energy (too much )
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That odious bint Nancy Pelosi is 79,but i must say she don't look a day over 100.
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06-12-2019, 17:25
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Re: Impeachment enquiry launched into Donald Trump
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Except nothing. They are not first hand witnesses.
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https://apnews.com/f16de8818c054df781584ade533b9969
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The two witnesses in Tuesday morning’s hearing each listened to the July 25 phone call in which Trump prodded his Ukrainian counterpart to investigate Democrat Joe Biden.
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Listening in to the live phone call between the two principals makes them first-hand witnesses - they didn't hear about what was said on the phone call from other people, they heard the phone call in real time as it was happening as part of their jobs.
https://www.npr.org/2019/11/07/77545...p-ukraine-call
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Known Participants In The July 25 Call
AMERICAN SIDE
Donald Trump
U.S. president
STATE DEPARTMENT
Mike Pompeo
Secretary of state
WHITE HOUSE
Robert Blair
Senior Adviser to Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney
VICE PRESIDENT'S STAFF
Keith Kellogg
National Security Adviser
Jennifer Williams
Adviser for Europe and Russia
NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL
Charles Kupperman
Deputy National Security Adviser
Timothy Morrison
Senior Director for European Affairs
Alexander Vindman
Top Ukraine expert
OTHER AMERICAN STAFF
May include duty officers, policy staff and translators
UKRAINIAN SIDE
Photo of Volodymyr Zelenskiy
Volodymyr Zelenskiy
Ukraine president
OTHER UKRAINIAN STAFF
May include translators and other staff on the Ukrainian side of the call
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06-12-2019, 18:33
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Re: Impeachment enquiry launched into Donald Trump
They are not first hand witnesses to nothing because nothing happened with the call, as per Ukraine President own public statements.
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06-12-2019, 18:38
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Re: Impeachment enquiry launched into Donald Trump
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They are not first hand witnesses to nothing because nothing happened with the call, as per Ukraine President own public statements.
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Were you there Mick? The witnesses were.
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06-12-2019, 18:45
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Re: Impeachment enquiry launched into Donald Trump
Was this phone call broadcast to the whole room so that both sides of the conversation could be heard??
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06-12-2019, 20:21
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Re: Impeachment enquiry launched into Donald Trump
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Were you there Mick? The witnesses were.
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The UKRAINE President was. He said the phone call was not an issue, no quid pro quo. But remember you have Joe Biden on video, while Vice President, saying Ukraine wasn’t getting the money, unless they fire the prosecutor....
All this is immaterial. Impeachment will fail and Trump should win 2020 courtesy of the antics of the DemocRATS.
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06-12-2019, 20:49
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Re: Impeachment enquiry launched into Donald Trump
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The UKRAINE President was. He said the phone call was not an issue, no quid pro quo. But remember you have Joe Biden on video, while Vice President, saying Ukraine wasn’t getting the money, unless they fire the prosecutor....
All this is immaterial. Impeachment will fail and Trump should win 2020 courtesy of the antics of the DemocRATS.
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DemocRATS - excellent, see what you did there Extremely clever, if I may say so, worthy of the orange blob himself.
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06-12-2019, 22:10
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Re: Impeachment enquiry launched into Donald Trump
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Was this phone call broadcast to the whole room so that both sides of the conversation could be heard??
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Yes, to the people listening in the Situation Room in the White House, as is normal practice.
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07-12-2019, 09:28
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Re: Impeachment enquiry launched into Donald Trump
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Yes, to the people listening in the Situation Room in the White House, as is normal practice.
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Aren't these people sworn to secrecy?
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