30-06-2020, 09:13
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
I think you misunderstand. I am referring to 'the police' as an organisation. I agree there are good and bad individuals within it, but the US police forces are remarkably undisciplined and do not adequately enforce any rigid code of behaviour on how to deal with the public. If they have any equal opportunities training, it is completely ineffective. Bad apples can just transfer to other areas with impunity.
Considering the police forces in the US are armed, the way they are managed is alarming.
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Agreed. There’s little to no accountability, reinforcing a belief that they can act with impunity with little or no consequences.
The police officer who murdered George Floyd did so in public, in front of witnesses and on camera. Clearly confident he could get away with it. That’s not a “bad” police officer, that’s structural.
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30-06-2020, 11:07
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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Originally Posted by jfman
Agreed. There’s little to no accountability, reinforcing a belief that they can act with impunity with little or no consequences.
The police officer who murdered George Floyd did so in public, in front of witnesses and on camera. Clearly confident he could get away with it. That’s not a “bad” police officer, that’s structural.
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get away with doing his job as prescribed?
To be honest, I don't know why anyone would want to be a police officer in the USA . . the dangers they face are appalling. A simple traffic stop can get you shot, going to a domestic incident can get you shot, serving a warrant can get you shot, responding to a burglary can get you shot.
Add to that all the stuff like drug busts, store robberies, drive by shootings, ambushes, car jackings, hostage situations . . . it's an endless list where letting your guard down for a second . . no matter what the circumstances are . . can see you or an innocent bystander carried away in a body bag.
And when the brown stuff hits the fan you're in front of the 'public jury' that forget all that
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30-06-2020, 11:26
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Re: Black Lives Matter
Living in America can get you shot. It’s all relative.
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30-06-2020, 11:57
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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Originally Posted by Chris
Living in America can get you shot. It’s all relative.
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It's not the best song i've ever heard but shooting ...................
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30-06-2020, 12:27
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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Originally Posted by Carth
get away with doing his job as prescribed?
To be honest, I don't know why anyone would want to be a police officer in the USA . . the dangers they face are appalling. A simple traffic stop can get you shot, going to a domestic incident can get you shot, serving a warrant can get you shot, responding to a burglary can get you shot.
Add to that all the stuff like drug busts, store robberies, drive by shootings, ambushes, car jackings, hostage situations . . . it's an endless list where letting your guard down for a second . . no matter what the circumstances are . . can see you or an innocent bystander carried away in a body bag.
And when the brown stuff hits the fan you're in front of the 'public jury' that forget all that
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This is vastly overhyped, due to people believing that the films/tv reflect reality (they don't).
Whilst it is terrible that anyone is killed in the line of duty, the average is around 64 per year in the whole USA - there were 185 "Line of Duty" deaths in 2018, of which gunfire was 52 (in the same year, 46 died of 9/11 related cancer).
In Minnesota, where George Floyd was killed, 3 officers (2 of which were Prison Officers, 1 was DHS) died in 2018 - 1 from heart attack, 1 from assault, and one from a car crash.
In 2017, 1 Police Officer was killed by a driver under the influence of drugs (whilst the Officer was clearing debris off the road).
No officers were killed in the Line of Duty in 2016
2015, 1 Police Officer was shot and killed whilst guarding a prisoner in a hospital, who had taken the Officer's gun off him
2014, 1 Police Officer was killed by gunshot wounds
Again, whilst it is terrible that officers die this way, there were 2 killings by guns of Police Officers in Minnesota over a 5 year period - not exactly an everyday occurrence.
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30-06-2020, 12:30
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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Originally Posted by Chris
Living in America can get you shot. It’s all relative.
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You should work for the tourist board.
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30-06-2020, 13:18
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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Originally Posted by Hugh
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Again, whilst it is terrible that officers die this way, there were 2 killings by guns of Police Officers in Minnesota over a 5 year period - not exactly an everyday occurrence.
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That's a very good statistic, which when you think about it, is probably due to the police using force to disarm and restrain (probably even shoot and kill) crazed drug fuelled nutters waving a gun around in public for example.
I think if the police played 'nice', there would be a lot more killed.
I know I'm the sort that would shoot first and question later . . . which is why I decided a career in the forces was not for me
oh, and if people arrested (or told to stop) by police just stopped instead of running/fighting/resisting, police probably wouldn't have to escalate things.
cue people saying "they resist because they know what's going to happen"
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30-06-2020, 15:48
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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Originally Posted by Hugh
This is vastly overhyped ...
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As is the myth you are likely to die when being arrested.
How many arrests are there in the US ?
The last figures I could find (for 2018) was over 10 Million per year.
Arrest related deaths seem harder to find figures for, but appears to be around 600 - 800 per year.
If you go with the higher figure, then 800 out of 10,000,000 is 0.008%
So you have far more chance of dying from any one of many other causes.
Of course, if you didnt break the law, and resist when arrested, then the problem would cease to exist.
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30-06-2020, 15:56
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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Originally Posted by Paul
Of course, if you didnt break the law, and resist when arrested, then the problem would cease to exist.
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I don't know if it's as cut-and-dried as that. But for a light-hearted look at a serious subject, do a YouTube search for "Chris Rock, how not to get your ass kicked by the police".
I won't link to it as it's NSFW and contains several F-bombs but it's interesting...
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01-07-2020, 03:25
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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Originally Posted by Russ
I don't know if it's as cut-and-dried as that. But for a light-hearted look at a serious subject, do a YouTube search for "Chris Rock, how not to get your ass kicked by the police".
I won't link to it as it's NSFW and contains several F-bombs but it's interesting...
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This one?
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Originally Posted by Pierre
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01-07-2020, 05:55
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Re: Black Lives Matter
OMG, he is funny - the snowflakes will have a meltdown
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01-07-2020, 09:09
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01-07-2020, 09:26
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Re: Black Lives Matter
As you may not be aware (as the press seems intent on burying all stories about this) a number of BLM and antifa have took over a small area of Seattle and expelled all state law enforcement. Various things have been happening over the last few weeks there, but yesterday two teenagers went joyriding in a car and both were shot with one dying:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53224445
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01-07-2020, 09:45
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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Originally Posted by downquark1
As you may not be aware (as the press seems intent on burying all stories about this) a number of BLM and antifa have took over a small area of Seattle and expelled all state law enforcement. Various things have been happening over the last few weeks there, but yesterday two teenagers went joyriding in a car and both were shot with one dying:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53224445
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It's a bigger story in America than here. I have heard of it several times but largely though American news outlets, that's the first British source i have seen on it.
I mean what else is there to say but that's it crazy.
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