16-01-2021, 12:17
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Now, now, stop implying that I’m implying anything just to fit your skewed narrative.
201K however is “loads” and if they can WFH they should be, as per guidance.
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Do we know that loads of the 201,000 are not working from home?
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16-01-2021, 12:18
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Now, now, stop implying that I’m implying anything just to fit your skewed narrative.
201K however is “loads” and if they can WFH they should be, as per guidance.
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"Carpetland' as the Nurses refer to admin areas. Thing is, some of them were vaccinated before Nurses. They didn't differentiate based on role. Makes sense to someone I'm sure...
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16-01-2021, 12:23
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by spiderplant
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Just to stress that I’m talking about second dose side effects among working-age NHS Scotland critical care staff.
The Herald has led on a story this morning complaining that hospitals are now sticking very rigidly to the single-dose policy even where they have defrosted vials with leftover vaccine at the end of the day that must either be used immediately or thrown out. Some staff are asking why it’s getting thrown out.
You can read the front page print story, with a little squinting, here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55687690
The actual reason is as I’ve given above, although you’re not going to get an on-the-record confirmation of that. (I could name you a hospital and a senior staff member, but I’m not going to).
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16-01-2021, 12:28
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Chris
Just to stress that I’m talking about second dose side effects among working-age NHS Scotland critical care staff.
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I'm not doubting it, just throwing a bit more info out there. I did read somewhere else that more people get side-effects on the second jab than the first.
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16-01-2021, 12:34
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by spiderplant
I'm not doubting it, just throwing a bit more info out there. I did read somewhere else that more people get side-effects on the second jab than the first.
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Got to be balanced against of the risk of getting Covid. The 'side effects' of that can be very nasty.
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16-01-2021, 13:06
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Do we know that loads of the 201,000 are not working from home?
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No idea.
---------- Post added at 13:06 ---------- Previous post was at 13:03 ----------
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Got to be balanced against of the risk of getting Covid. The 'side effects' of that can be very nasty.
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I’ll happily wait until 2023 or later,
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16-01-2021, 13:08
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Trollsplatter
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Got to be balanced against of the risk of getting Covid. The 'side effects' of that can be very nasty.
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Agreed - the side effects are moderate in the grand scheme of things and are only a real problem because they’re causing staff absence in the one place we can’t afford it right now. Nevertheless I support their PR strategy of not wanting to talk about it. The last thing we need is the tinfoil hat brigade using it to cook up more of their batty anti-vax misinformation.
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16-01-2021, 13:28
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Chris
Agreed - the side effects are moderate in the grand scheme of things and are only a real problem because they’re causing staff absence in the one place we can’t afford it right now. Nevertheless I support their PR strategy of not wanting to talk about it. The last thing we need is the tinfoil hat brigade using it to cook up more of their batty anti-vax misinformation.
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I’m not anti-vax, I happily had my first flu jab in December, now that I’m a certain age.
But I’ll wait. The vaccine has been deemed safe after being tested on, I don’t know, a few thousand?
I’ll wait until the control group is several million.
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16-01-2021, 13:47
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Coronavirus
Pfizer phase 3 trials were 44,000 people, Moderna 30,000, and the Oxford/AstraZeneca 23,000 people.
AstraZeneca are also running a further trial with 40,000 people in the USA, Argentina, Chile, Columbia and Peru.
A lot of good info here - https://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vk/covid-19-vaccines
Novavax had 15,000 in the U.K. (I’m taking part in this trial), and 30,000 in the USA and Mexico.
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Last edited by Hugh; 16-01-2021 at 13:52.
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16-01-2021, 13:58
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Re: Coronavirus
We take risks just living.
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16-01-2021, 14:17
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
I’m not anti-vax, I happily had my first flu jab in December, now that I’m a certain age.
But I’ll wait. The vaccine has been deemed safe after being tested on, I don’t know, a few thousand?
I’ll wait until the control group is several million.
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I find it alarming that one of the side effects of this life saving vaccine is death.
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16-01-2021, 14:17
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Chris
Just to stress that I’m talking about second dose side effects among working-age NHS Scotland critical care staff.
The Herald has led on a story this morning complaining that hospitals are now sticking very rigidly to the single-dose policy even where they have defrosted vials with leftover vaccine at the end of the day that must either be used immediately or thrown out. Some staff are asking why it’s getting thrown out.
You can read the front page print story, with a little squinting, here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55687690
The actual reason is as I’ve given above, although you’re not going to get an on-the-record confirmation of that. (I could name you a hospital and a senior staff member, but I’m not going to). |
My husband and I were both contacted when our local hub had Pfizer vaccines, which if not used that day, would have to be binned. We are both considered to be at risk and were offered these first jabs if we could get to the center by the end of the session... at least a month earlier than we had expected.
John who is in his late 70's got his the week befor Christmas and I had mine 10 days ago. I understand why they may not be considered as viable for 2nd jabs but binning usable vaccinations when they can be used by someone needing a initial vaccination seems to be a no-brainer.
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16-01-2021, 14:31
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
I find it alarming that one of the side effects of this life saving vaccine is death.
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One of the side effects of living is death...
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16-01-2021, 14:46
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hugh
One of the side effects of living is death...
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One could argue in the grand timescales involved living is a side effect of death...
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16-01-2021, 15:19
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Coronavirus
It interesting that suddenly we should all now be “risk takers” , after being told to hide under the stairs.
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